<p>why do ppl who get deferred EA or ED seem to have lower chances RD? wouldn't you think ppl apply EA or ED would have better stats, and therefore the deferred people would, if they applied RD, have a great chance of getting in? after all, they can only accept the best of the best, so the people who don't make it in early are still very competitive if not more come time for regular decisions. and besides...doesn't applying early signify that you're really interested in going to teh school and would probalby attend if you're admitted? so why does getting deferred significantly lower your chances to some schools?</p>
<p>Ummmm.... where have you heard that deferral from EA/ED reduced chances in the RD round? Anecdotally, I recall one school (Stanford) had a reputation for very few deferrals being accepted -- and I'm not assured of this -- I only heard about this. </p>
<p>But I only noted it because it was, as you state, counter intuitive to think that deferred kids from EA/ED were lesser than the bulk of RD applicants.</p>
<p>everywhere...people asking if they still had a chance after getting deferred...and %s of ppl getting in after deferral are lower than the % for ppl just applying RD</p>
<p>I can understand the panic but do you have actual stats of schools? I don't mean to be overly skeptical but on the face of it, this is counter-intuitive. Posts by individuals here on CC are not a reliable source of analysis. You need to cite some hard numbers.</p>
<p>Are we sure we aren't just listening to the nervousness of deferred students? I know that Yale's deferred student in the past have not fared worse in the RD round than the other RD students. Statistically, they are just a tad better RD admit rate (although we know it's tough for EVERYONE).</p>
<p>I don't mean to be argumentative but i want to stem any needless anxiety for those EA/ED deferred kids.</p>
<p>I think if you are deferred and you write a letter saying its still your first choice, it helps you out during RD because they know how serious you are, and that you applied early. Showing interest always helps you out.</p>
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Why would that be true? If anything, I'd guess the EA/ED people tend to have worse stats than the RD kids and are applying early hoping that the demonstrated interest will give them a boost in.</p>
<p>The reason few deferrals get in is that many schools have an informal policy of not rejecting anyone (or almost anyone) EA or ED. They may have already made up their minds and put the apps into the rejected pile, but they are smart enough to know that perceptions matter and that its in the schools best interest not to send the reject letter. This preserves the belief in the applicant pool that they have "nothing to lose" by applying EA/ED, that the school "will take another look". Often this is far from the truth, but somehow many people think it is unfair that their friends who send in a RD app are still "in the running" while they've already been rejected. They prefer having the wool pulled over their eyes. </p>
<p>Only a few schools are honest enough to evaluate EA/ED apps and tell those who don't measure up to what they expect they're rejected. Stanford is one of those, so if you're only deferred it means they're really still thinking of admitting you.</p>
<p>i think MIT istoo?
just heard that they reject more ppl than others</p>
<p>duke's deferral reads something like this: we will carefully review your application again. blah blah, you will have some advantage bc you applied early. blah blah but sorry to tell you we only accept abot 10% of the deferred.</p>
<p>duke's RD is around 20%</p>
<p>Michelle Hernandez has an interesting explanation in her book (which, btw, reported that deferreds have a much lower admittance rate than RD'ers, but that was years ago). Her take was that the adcoms pick up a deferred folder and then say, 'hmmmm, why didn't we admit this person in December?' In essence, human nature means that they start looking for the negatives in the folder...</p>
<p>Also, some deferrals are just a way to avoid a polite rejectionsof low-stat hooked candidate, i.e., legacy, big donor, etc., who are then ultimately wait listed.</p>
<p>wow , so it's easier to get in ED than RD (and not just percent wise, but stat wise?)</p>
<p>narcissa:</p>
<p>Most schools publicly report that there is no difference between RD & ED, but methinks that thier spin machine is at work. However, one Ivy does publicly report that ED acceptances are a "percent or two higher" than RD for unhooked apps. </p>
<p>There is only ONE real study of the issue. After excluding hooked candidates (athletes, URMs, big donors), ED was found to contribute the equivalent of 100 SAT points (old test) to an applicant. But, its hard to generalize today since that study is over ten years old and was based on data a few years prior to its publication .</p>
<p>If you werent good enough to get in EA, why would you be good enough to get in RD, which is just a time difference? Thats why those rates are lower.</p>
<p>Most schools say that they only take early applicants that they are confident would have been accepted in the regular decision round anyway. So, if they don't think you are good enough in the early round, then your chances are not great for the regular round either. Also, if you are unable to stand out in the smaller early applicant pool, it is very unlikely you will stand out in the regular applicant pool. This is why some schools [NYU for example] do not defer early applicants.</p>
<p>Read </p>
<p>(a very good read, full of footnotes to fascinating information) </p>
<p>for some description of the rather large advantages that applying early provided a few years ago at a wide range of colleges. It's debatable how much of an advantage early action, as contrasted with early decision, provides today, but it's not a bad idea at all to apply early, if you are ready to apply. </p>
<p>By now most of the regular admission deadlines have passed at the most highly selective colleges, so now what a lot of high school seniors are doing is waiting. There is no reason to worry about it now. If you received a notice that your early round application was deferred to the regular round, know that at EVERY college there will be some deferred students who get in during the regular round. If you have IMPORTANT updates to your admission file (e.g., new awards), send them in. But, really, enjoy your senior year and don't let it be consumed by worry.</p>
<p>wow, i guess my original concept of ED vs RD was totally wrong.
lol i thougth that they only accepted people ED if they're a lot better than ppl accepted in past years, ppl they are SURE would stand out in any applicant pool. and a lot of the deferred ppl would probably get in in the RD pool but they just wanna make sure or something.
lol i guess that was wrong...</p>
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:P i'm a junior heehee..i was just asking for a friend who got deferred from UPENN ED and he was like...oh well, i have a <em>small</em> chance of getting in RD. and i wondered why applying ED kinda hurts your chances if you get deferred =/</p>