Does it matter?

<p>I'm a high school senior (yes, early, I know) thinking about a career in law for the future.</p>

<p>That being said, for once and for all, does the prestige of your undergrad school matter when applying to law schools? I want to go to places like Northwestern, WashU, etc. for my undergrad, but my parents want me to go to the closer-to-home UIUC. Will it be harder for me to get in to top law schools if I go to a less-prestigious state school for undergrad?</p>

<p>Also, I want to major in something social-science-y (great word, I know) with a double major in theatre and a possible minor in English (which would really only happen if I get in to WashU, but we'll see.) Would those areas be fine to get into law school? What IS the best major? Poli-sci seems popular, but according to these threads, it doesn't give an advantage or anything.</p>

<p>Just curious. Thanks for any help you can give me!</p>

<p>Any ideas?</p>

<p>There are already countless threads on this. The answer is no.</p>

<p>Undergrad prestige may help, but having a good GPA and high LSAT scores is more important than undergraduate prestige.</p>

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<p>Yes, there are many threads on this, but the answer was hardly settled. Drifting into the archives does not conclusively decide the matter affirmatively or negatively.</p>

<p>"the answer was hardly settled."</p>

<p>....exactly, thank you.</p>

<p>I just wanted more perspectives, I guess, since, you know, I'm worried about my future and all.</p>

<p>Does anyone have anything to say about my prospective majors? Good/ Bad/ Ugly things?</p>

<p>the term "best major" is simply relative. you can discover what it is best for you, your school, course requirements, other classes you want to take, and possibly studying abroad after at least a semester of college. the consensus is that you are open to choose whatever major you like. my advice though is to focus on actual classes. it seems to me more productive and reasonable to think "what classes will help me the most" rather than "what major will help me the most" (assuming you don't want to be an engineer or something specific). avoid getting caught up in the whole major debate. i think if people naturally follow a path of interesting courses then they will experience less friction than what is common in deciding a major.</p>

<p>I pretty much settled the debate in an earlier thread. prestige of UG institution matters very little.</p>

<p>overall, I agree with sreis on the major issue. but I might have taken it a little too far. I majored in history and minored in economics. I wish I would have double majored in history and education, which would have opened up more opportunities for post college work.</p>

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I pretty much settled the debate in an earlier thread. prestige of UG institution matters very little.

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<p>No, you didn't.</p>

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i wouldn't consider that "proof".</p>

<p>aren't yale students insanely motivated and intelligent. i'm sure Georgetown attracts top notch students, but yale students are supposedly insane. </p>

<p>i mean to say that yale students are retardedly inteligent.

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<p>This is your last post in the thread "Reputation of undergrad... Considering a transfer," to which there were four responses. You didn't respond to any of them, except for advancing yet another questionable claim about LSAT skills being "fairly intrinsic," which I also refuted.</p>

<p>I don't know. Perhaps you are too "retardedly intelligent" me.</p>

<p>"Perhaps you are too 'retardedly intelligent' me."</p>

<p>This is my favorite sentence in the whole thread.</p>

<p>i'll briefly sum up the thread for holleywoodiva: nspeed refers to adcomms who told him or her that UG matters. I correctly respond that most adcomms falsely state that everything matters because they take a wholistic approach, which is a bunch of BS.</p>

<p>Lsat is everything, followed by gpa. lsat is at least 60 percent, followed by 30 percent gpa, followed by 10 percent soft factors. i guess you can put UG somewhere in the soft factor category. </p>

<p>looks like i just settled the debate for a second time.</p>

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nspeed refers to adcomms who told him or her that UG matters.

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<p>No, this is what I said:</p>

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From what I have seen and from my conversations with law professors who have participated in admissions committees, admissions counselors, and my counselor, the higher in law school rank you go, the more a undergraduate institution factors in your decision for admissions.

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<p>Your response, right now:</p>

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I correctly respond that most adcomms falsely state that

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<p>I "correctly" respond? How the heck is that "correct"? Do you offer any corroboration... NO! </p>

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I correctly respond that most adcomms falsely state that everything matters because they take a wholistic approach, which is a bunch of BS

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<p>You offer no substantiation for this claim... NONE whatsoever. You ASSUMED it is correct, and then stated...</p>

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looks like i just settled the debate for a second time.

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<p>Clearly, it is not.</p>

<p>Let me put it this way, younghov: for the law schools at which you have a shot, the undergraduate school from which you apply doesn't matter. I guess we can rule out the majority of the top 14, then.</p>

<p>Law school admissions is mostly about the #s. It's possible to get into any law school from any accredited college. That said, it's simply not true that all law schools use exactly the same criteria and apply them in the same way. They don't. There are applicants who get into Yale and not Harvard, though in general it's easier to get into Harvard and MOST people who get into Yale who applied to Harvard are admitted to Harvard as well. </p>

<p>Other factors do count--nowhere near as much as LSAT and GPA, but they do count. While my evidence is anecdotal, everyone I know who submitted a rec from a TA/TF rather than a prof got rejected at Yale Law, no matter how good their #s. It didn't matter, BTW, if they attended Harvard. The rec doe NOT have to be from a full prof or a famous prof. It's just that if you've spent four years at a college and don't have anyone other than a grad student who knows you well enough to write a rec, and you don't have some other <em>star</em> experience--say serving in Iraq or spending a few years in the Peace Corps in a remote village, you won't get into Yale Law. </p>

<p>So, IMO, if you want to maximize your chances of admission, the best bet is to attend a top LAC. Williams and Amherst do amazingly well in terms of the % of the class that gets into top law schools. I suspect that's because nearly all of their grads can get two profs who know them well to write recs. If you're the sort of person who is going to be the only one whose name a prof who teaches a lecture class of 350 is going to remember (for good reasons) then it probably doesn't matter. But remember, it's NOT the quality of your written work that's going to matter if you go to a university at which grad students (or upper classmen) do the grading. </p>

<p>There's another aspect of this that hasn't been mentioned and that's the candidate with a stellar gpa and good but not stellar LSAT. Now, I know people who graduated PBK from HYP--so they were in the top 10% of their class---who did not get into YHS Law School and the reason was quite obviously a mediocre LSAT. But, while I can't "prove" it, a 3.9 with a 165 LSAT from Harvard, from what I've seen, is going to do quite a bit better in the law school admissions process than a 3.9 from SUNY Oswego with a 165.
If the SUNY kid has a 176 LSAT, he will do better than the Harvard kid with a 165. </p>

<p>But, personally, I'd recommend that folks who know themselves to be stellar students who just don't do as well on standardized tests go to as good a college as they can, as long as it's one where their performance in the classroom will be rewarded with stellar recs from profs.</p>

<p>Conversely, if you know you are likely to score above a 175 on the LSAT and know that you'll be a star student at a second tier U., you're likely to do very well in the admissions process and then will firmly insist that the undergrad you attend makes no difference in the LS admissions process.</p>

<p>god, this board needs a sense of humor. </p>

<p>regardless, i am right.</p>

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regardless, i am right.

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<p>...saying it doesn't make it true.</p>

<p>Thank you, Jonri, for the post.</p>

<p>Yes, thank you very much, jonri! That was really quite helpful :-)</p>

<p>I believe that I conceded in the previous thread that for a top 5 school, UG prestige might matter. but for for the vast majority of applicants (99 percent), UG prestige matters very little. </p>

<p>believe me. i wish it mattered more.</p>

<p>ok, i settled the debate for a third time!!!</p>