<p>^ Not among those who keep up with rankings, admit rates, yields, median SATs, etc.</p>
<p>Asian people? Sounds like Asian people are holding the ultimate authority on these reputation's rankings. It reminds me of their Shanghai Jiao Tong University's ranking of all the universities in the world. No offence at all. I do agree that Cornell is generally more reputable than Penn overseas (except for Wharton, but loads of people don't even know that Wharton is a school of UPenn). On the StudentReviews' reputation ranking, Penn was beaten by Cornell by about 10/100 marks. </p>
<p>"Doormat of the Ivy"? That sounds quite nice to me. Actually we can learn to share it with Dartmouth. Again, I'm saying "we" as if I were already a Penn student:D</p>
<p>i kno students from my school that got accepted to princeton and yale, and rejected from Penn. According to the new rankings Penn is far from the doormat...it's ranked 5th, only below Princeton, Harvard, Yale and MIT</p>
<p>Don't worry, Effrum. Whenever you try to disprove Penn's "doormat" status with its new rankings, they'll just shrug it off "Owell, it isn't Penn. It's just Wharton." We can live happily with that "doormat" tag.</p>
<p>My little ranking:
Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell
Yale had an all-time admissions low last year. Selective as hell.
I'm not one for the Ivy League, though, even though I'm debating sending in an application to Columbia for their Fu Foundation School of Engineeering..</p>
<p>I still don't think Cornell should be placed at the bottom. But still... why am I so addicted to this pointless debate? :D But still... Dartmouth should be placed right there at the bottom :D</p>
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<p>Why do you think Dartmouth is even close to the bottom? Dartmouth wins at everything undergrad. Dartmouth (and Princeton, Yale) has the longest history of getting its alums into the best grad schools and the most elite jobs. It also incites the strongest alumni loyalty and the strongest network. IMO 6y6 is a H.S. student who has no idea what he/she is talking about.</p>
<p>Of course Penn has the lowest name overseas. Business if anything but prestigious.</p>
<p>My rankings: </p>
<p>For undergrad</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale/ Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Brown/Dartmouth</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
</ol>
<p>HUGE GAP</p>
<ol>
<li>Cornell
6.Penn</li>
</ol>
<p>how do you come up with "your" rankings? According to US News and World report penn is fifth overall, not just out of the ives, but according to you penn is nowhere near the top... What gives you that idea?</p>
<p>if we had the lowest name overseas, we wouldn't have the highest percentage of international undergraduate students in the entire ivy league...</p>
<p>Penn:</a> Undergraduate Admissions: Geographic Distribution of Penn's International Community</p>
<p>You can't rank the ivies. You can rank them on difficulty of getting in, but on quality, the line is so thin that it doesn't matter.</p>
<p>In other words, collegehopeful78, you and your "HUGE GAP" can get the hell off of this forum.</p>
<p>(and seriously, Harvard #2 for undergrad? Only if you like being taught by TAs.)</p>
<p>Calm down!</p>
<p>Those rankings were based on preference. I never said they were the definitive rankings for everyone so you can ****.</p>
<p>I feel Harvard is # 2 simply because of the depth of the classes there, research, and guest speakers which enhance the experience.</p>
<p>Harvard does have many great professors that teach undergrads so IDK what you are talking about. Intro classes tend to be taught by T.A's but higher level classes have their fair share of professors.</p>
<p>you underestimate the significance of the T.A. thing. In my time at Penn (now a senior), I have only taken one non-language class here that was taught by a TA, and that was during summer session.</p>
<p>the entire point is that I highly doubt you have spent any appreciable amount of time at all of the ivies, and as such have absolutely not basis for your list and are simply pulling things out of your ass. The fact of the matter is that for all its significant faults, the USNews rankings at least have a formula that is readily accessible and allows one to see why one school is ranked above another. The single biggest flaw with the rankings in my opinion, a flaw that is visible in yours as well, is that they fail completely to take into account the concept of fit. The fact of the matter is that most students at penn or harvard or cornell would be miserable at a place like princeton or dartmouth; even though the quality of education across the board is the same, the atmosphere at each school is very unique, and some ivies are very, very different from others.</p>
<p>Lol. I hit a nerve. New rankings.</p>
<p>Penn</p>
<p>HUGE HUGE HUGE GAP</p>
<p>MORE GAP</p>
<ol>
<li>other ivies</li>
</ol>
<p>(10 char.)</p>
<p>Penn's reputation overseas should be helped significantly by this:</p>
<p>QS</a> Top Universities: Top 100 universities in the THES - QS World University Rankings 2007</p>
<p>Plus, as previously mentioned, aggressive overseas recruiting has now given Penn the highest percentage of international undergraduates not only in the Ivy League, but also among all major universities in the US.</p>
<p>Do you really think those are credible?</p>
<p>In what world is Mcgill, Penn, Chicago better than Stanford or UC Berkeley?</p>
<p>THES really screwed up their rankings this year IMO. <em>cough</em>How else do you explain MIT's drop from 4 to 10?<em>cough</em></p>
<p>i think all of the schools you mentioned are considered better than berkeley in most people's world's, especially given it's well-founded reputation for being particularly uncaring towards its undergrads</p>
<p>Well those rankings are worldwide rankings which are largely based on publications and give more weight to grad schools. Berkeley's grad schools excel and are considered some of the best.</p>