Down to UCSB, UCR Chancellor's or ASU Barrett's Honors, tuition and fees scholarship, advice?

<p>My dd is welcoming thoughts on the above choices.</p>

<p>She loved everything about UCSB, but she would have to work during the school year plus summer and also take a small loan ($5,000/year).</p>

<p>At UCR she has been offered the Chancellor's $5,000 a year scholarship so she would still need to work but not take a loan. She was invited to the Honors program but did not apply within the deadline. She was invited again and she will do now but she will not know whether she will be admitted until after May 1st. She likes the university but not so much the location and the possible hot temperatures.</p>

<p>At ASU she would be in the Honors College and would have a full tuition and fees scholarship, no need to work or take out loans, plus we would give her the remaining money in our budget for her future needs, which could include a car, graduate school or whatever she could need it for. The downside of ASU right now is hot temperatures, distance from home, and someone she is trying to distance herself from attending too.</p>

<p>She is going undeclared at all of them. She is thinking of either doing Sociology, Social Work or Communications. I have advised her to add some Statistics and Marketing classes and possibly a second foreign language (she is already bilingual in Spanish) to improve her versatility upon graduation.</p>

<p>Graduate school may or may not happen depending on what direction she takes in college, but we would not be able to help her out much. We are on the older side of things, there have been a few financial rough spots in the last few years, namely unemployment and underemployment, and we have another child to help with college in 8 year's time, just as my husband will hit retirement age.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for any input you may have.</p>

<p>Would any of the very knowledgeable, experienced users care to comment? @MYOS1634‌ @ucbalumnus‌ @Gumbymom‌ @collegevetting‌ . I am sure I am leaving others out. We’d really appreciate your insight. Thank you!</p>

<p>Hm. My sons got into Riverside with the same scholarship but while finances are tight enough that we are really only considering UCs since they got into some we like, we seem to have a little more financial flexibility than your family. They are pretty much deciding between UCSB and Davis. UCSB has a good communications department, by the way. UCSB is considered a mid tier UC with excellent individual departments, some of which are in the top ranks in the nation. UCSB is tied at 41 in the nation in US News, Riverside is ranked 112. Barretts doesn’t have a separate US News ranking, so I am leaving that out. Riverside I’ve seen mentioned as strong in a few specific areas, biology, computer science, I think…not sure. and they are a UC, so if she started there she would have the ability to try to transfer later to a higher UC once she decided for sure what she wanted and what her area of study is (not a sure thing, but a lot easier than transferring from a non UC or CC.) </p>

<p>Barretts, I was looking into for a while in the beginning, and so was one of my sons, but that is because he had a mixed stat record and we weren’t sure how UCSB would look at his choppy grades (and stellar SATs and APs). I must say I liked the cost differential, and I looked into it enough that I personally thought it was a good option. (I liked UCSB better though, enough that once I decided he had a safety or two, I didn’t push applying there.) My kids liked it less, and how their ultimate employers would feel, who knows? The University did send someone to Harvard Law school last year, whom I personally suspect was from Barretts, so graduate schools do seem to take their grades seriously. (UCSB sent students there too. One of my sons is interested in Law, and we checked.)</p>

<p>I think finances are a real bottom line, depending on how strict that line is. You have another kid on the way, while both of mine are going to college at once and I only have the next four years’ price change to worry about. I also am not getting any younger, and had some rocky financial time that makes me completely identify with where you are coming from. I guess if UCR is affordable with the scholarship, it might be a middle ground where if she developed a passion that made taking some debt on justifiable she could try to transfer, and even if she didn’t, she’d be from a UC, which is a recognizable degree everywhere. It is NOT in a great area imho, but neither is Arizona imho (this says as much about my opinion as it does about the areas, I am fully aware.) UCSB is on another planet, however, it either is affordable or it isn’t. The $5000 debt if it is the subsidized federal loan, IF she knew she would have a career or grad school where the precise flavor of diploma mattered, might be justifiable. I cut against it (despite my absolute partisanship for the school) only because it sounds like your daughter has no idea what she really wants to do, in which case she may end up working for limited funds and find the debt difficult to repay, limited as the debt amount is. My only issue with Barretts is that it isn’t as known except by those who look into it. If it is the one that is affordable and only that one, then I’d still go there, and focus on how to bolster the resume with honors and internships. I would NOT be concerned that my kid wasn’t getting a good education. I also never got into Barretts enough to look into where their graduates go - - it would be worth having a discussion about that with their career center, I would think.</p>

<p>My bottom line would be to make sure she understands the payments on a $5000 loan if she goes to UCSB, to understand why graduating with no debt is preferable. (Also, if POSSIBLE it would be great if she could work enough in the summer she didn’t have to work the first quarter at college while she got adjusted.) She should figure out how much someone in a degree she is interested in is likely to make right out of school TAKE HOME and figure the loan payments and living costs. That assumes she has a job, but I think those loans have deferment if you are unemployed, so that might be reasonable. Then, it would be her decision, by me, but I know that beach would be beckoning…</p>

<p>My logic says Riverside sounds intelligent, or Barretts if she likes it better (we never got as far as visiting), but I think UCR would look better to employers. (that could be pure personal bias, but you are looking for feedback, and I’m just giving you my personal call.)</p>

<p>Regardless of how intelligent that might be, if the $5000 is the loan she can take out in her own name from the federal government, which is the least expensive money around, I think it would be hard for an 18 year old not to prefer UCSB.</p>

<p>Here is the current NRC ranking of departments by Universities, they only do it once every 15 years, I believe. I clicked on “Communictions” but you could click on a different program, then you have to go down to the talble and click the heading ‘s rank high’ to put them in rank order for that subject as scholars rank them. Note, these are still graduate programs, so they reflect on undergrad by what research is going on where students might be able to get active, and by the quality of professors, and by school reputation. I consider this a little more thoughtful than the US News ranking for my purposes, but your mileage may vary. <a href=“NRC Rankings Overview: Communication”>http://chronicle.com/article/NRC-Rankings-Overview-/124717/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Sorry if that was no help. :(</p>

<p>You might be interested in this: “U. of California at Riverside Will Hire 300 New Professors Over 5 Years” <a href=“U. of California at Riverside Will Hire 300 New Professors Over 5 Years”>http://chronicle.com/article/U-of-California-at-Riverside/146185/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I noted that UCSB was 6 in communications on that NRC ranking I posted, but just noted that ASU is 25 in communications, which isn’t at all shabby. I didn’t try the other areas that interest her, but you could.</p>

<p>Explain to HER about the car and so forth with limited funds, what does SHE think?</p>

<p>I assume that you are California residents?</p>

<p>ASU is a huge school, so she can easily avoid anyone that she wants to avoid.</p>

<p>Personally, I’d take the money at ASU. Graduating debt free, particularly with a possible major in SW – which have low starting salaries – would be a wonderful plan. </p>

<p>@collegevetting‌ and @bluebayou‌ Thank you for all your thoughts. We are California residents. My dd would prefer to avoid debt, so right now she is looking more in detail into Riverside. The Chancellor scholarship comes with priority registration which is a great perk in terms of facilitating graduating in 4 years as well as being able to choose certain professors and better scheduling. The NRC graduate ranking is an interesting tool to play around with. Believe it or not, this particular person my daughter is trying to distance herself from is bearing quite a bit of weight in her thinking. The situation is a little more complicated than it sounds because this person goes to the same school, lives in our neighborhood, and might end up in the Honors program too, where it would not be as easy to stay away from.</p>

<p>Another fun tool to play around with is one where you can calculate how long it will take California graduates to break even on their education according to major.<br>
<a href=“http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/27/3798191/interactive-see-how-long-it-will.html”>http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/27/3798191/interactive-see-how-long-it-will.html&lt;/a&gt;
This is particularly useful for someone like my daughter who is still undecided on a career.</p>

<p>It sounds like your daughter has a good head on her shoulders. Good luck to her!</p>

<p>@collegevetting‌ My daughter decided and the winner is UC Riverside! I am now the proud mom of a Highlander! :smiley: </p>

<p>@bluebayou‌ I would also have taken the money, but this was my daughter’s decision. I have to respect it, embrace it, and wish her all the best. I know she will do great!</p>

<p>Congrats. Go buy a sweatshirt!</p>

<p>@InfoQuestMom Woo Hoo!! I’m sure she’ll do brilliantly there! One of my sons has sent his SIR in, but the other (I have twins) is still dithering. I know he’ll get it done, but I’ll feel better when the (electronic) paperwork is done, and I don’t have to worry that he’ll wait so late an internet outage will make him miss the deadline, or something…</p>