<p>i drink. =\ people drink because its fun. those who say its stupid, irresponsible, etc. obiously have never drank before. if theres loads of people drinking and a few responsible folks to make sure things stay chill, its supaaa cool. as long as you dont have your head up your ass and make a habit out of it or decide to drive, i see nothing wrong with it.</p>
<p>Wasnt there a guy on CC who "intellectualized" drinking and believed he was super smart about it until he died from it?</p>
<p>eat my tihs</p>
<p>heineken > everything</p>
<p>miller chill is wayyy up on my list, along with yuengling</p>
<p>first in my class and probably the biggest drinker in my grade lol</p>
<p>I drink. Not beer, but liquor and wine coolers. I don't see it as a moral issue. Maybe it's moral in the sense that I'm choosing to disobey the law...is that what you meant? Even then, I think that choosing to obey or disobey any law should be weighed the same way you'd weigh any other decision. Benefits/risks.</p>
<p>EDIT:</p>
<p>“A drug is neither moral nor immoral -- it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an *******.” </p>
<p>-- Frank Zappa</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>coot66, i couldn't agree with you more...i don't drink and don't plan to until I am of age, at which time I will drink extremely responsibly if i even end up drinking at all. our bodies aren't meant to handle all the crap in alcohol, and i value my body and how i should treat it. i think it's very sad that intelligent people feel that drinking is the only way to have a good time...to me, that's a sign of immaturity. there are so many wonderful things to enjoy in this world...why choose something that is illegal for teens, and can be potentially harmful and dangerous?</p>
<p>i'm fine with people who don't drink/do drugs, but when people (Adelaide, Coot) get all condescending and judgemental when they obviously have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, it really ****es me off</p>
<p>"Alcoholic Beverages can also help reduce the risk of heart disease."</p>
<p>like red wine.... but not bud light</p>
<p>illuminar:1. A cup of red wine *might *help reduce heart disease. Obviously, that's not the kind of "drinking" I'm talking about.
2. The rape thing was an example of consequences, albeit an extreme one. I guess I'll suggest another; let's try drunk-driving which makes up for about 40 percent of total traffic deaths in the US...
3. If you start drinking, you have a much larger chance getting addicted than someone who stays dry. Basic logic. And FYI, most chronic alcoholics start drinking in their youth.
4. Where's the fallacy buddy?</p>
<p>diesel: Yes, I have an opinion but I would be interested in hearing decent argument backing the other side. I can always change my mind...</p>
<p>Opie ofMaybery2: I'm no religious fundamentalist, if that's what you're trying to imply...</p>
<p>dank08: I doubt the college people will evaluate the post of a user who admits to underage drinking and then try to figure out who the student is...
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deceptacon*: Err... I never said it was a moral issue, just bad judgment which makes you look dumb.
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ProcrastiNate**: Where exactly did I say something that suggests I "have no idea what I'm talking about"?</p>
<p>-The Immoral Coot66</p>
<p>^Everything has consequences. UV rays cause cancer, so should I stay inside all the time? Sex could result in aids; does that mean I should never have sex? When you drive you can get into an accident and possibly die, so should I stop driving?</p>
<p>There are risks in every aspect of life. Drinking in moderation is perfectly fine. If you want to get drunk, that is your choice...your risk, and it's none of my business.</p>
<p>I rarely drink... only at few of the parties I go to. And I haven't gotten drunk, or at least felt drunk, yet.</p>
<p>"I couldn't care less about people drinking but I find it really annoying how they brag about how much they drink, and the stupid things they do while drunk."</p>
<p>Ditto. In college, I might drink occasionally, but I don't really need alcohol to have fun. I know that everyone says that it vastly improves social gatherings... but my friends and I have so much fun sober that we don't even consider drinking. I mean, what's better? Getting completely wasted and peeing yourself (which is what people brag about in my school), or running around barefoot in the snow/baking a green cake/DDR parties/laser tag/murder mystery dinners/spontaneous paint fights/playing man hunt/having races in the empty school/playing clue/riding the bus with "no hands"/drawing huge murals that depict the stories of our lives/etc/etc/etc. I'd prefer the latter options =)</p>
<p>(PS- I'm not trying to imply that all people who drink are the idiots who get wasted and throw up all over themselves. I know that some drink responsibly. I just think that those in the former group are foolish... it's still their choice whether they do those things, of course, but I just don't want to hear about it!!!)</p>
<p>Sigh...I'm kind of upset because I used to really admire you Coot66. </p>
<p>Your reasoning behind not drinking is rather ridiculous. I hate to say it, but you really can't "knock it until you try it" if you are trying to prove a point about how horrible alcohol is. </p>
<p>First of all, you need to be very very drunk for most of the things on you list to happen. I've been drinking for about a year and I've only thrown up/had a hangover once. I've been drunk quite a few times but it take A LOT of alcohol to take you to that level where you are totally not in control of your actions. Drinking is fun and totally acceptable if you are safe and of legal age. Alcohol can also taste very good....and very bad. You will not kill your liver as a social drinker...actually you would have to be an accessive alcoholic to do that. Drinkign alcohol doesn't make you a bad person. Do your parents drink? Teachers? College admissions officers? If they drink, even casually, the chances that they've gotten drunk before are 99.999%. Once you beging drinking, you need to learn your limits...and everyone messes up occassionally and had "one too many". Does that make you better than them? Drinking is a social exercise that can be very positive when trying to close a business deal or have some type of meeting. Drinking alcohol does not automatically make you a poor, drug dealing fiend. Like someone sad before, the alcohol is not the evil. </p>
<p>With your attitude you will lose a lot of friends. Not because you don't drink....which is perfectly acceptable by the way! I totally respect your decision...but my problem is that you don't respect mine. Do you really want to be the kid taht everyone avoids, the lone soldier who everyone lies to because tehy don't want you to lose your friendship after a night of drinking. </p>
<p>Please don't be so immature. </p>
<p>PS. I drink and I'm still better than you so your logic was invalid to begin with :)</p>
<p>PS x2. YES COLLEGE ADMISSIONS OFFICERS CHECK THIS BOARD. YES IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY WILL READ A "INCRIMINATING" POST. BUT IF YOU ALL ARE SOOOOO SMART PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS. WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS OFFICER IS AN ADMISSIONS OFFICER AT A SCHOOL YOU WILL BE APPLYING TO? THAT HE CONNECTS YOUR POST ABOUT DRINKING TO A POST CONCERNING YOUR STATS? THAT HE KNOWS YOUR REAL NAME? THAT HE WILL REMEMBER YOUR REAL NAME? THAT HE CARES?
shoot me now...i'm surrounded by idiots.</p>
<p>Jman2306:You don't need to drink. You need to go outside, drive cars<a href="unless%20you're%20Amish">/U</a>, and have sex (for reproduction/pleasure). And besides, all of the risks you mentioned have safe solutions (sun block, driving safe/slowly, condoms/partner STD testing, respectively). You don't ever need to drink; granted, it's customary at some special occasions (such as weddings and other ceremonies), but even then, you get by with sipping a soft drink.</p>
<p>People who say it's a personal choice: You're walking on the sidewalk, minding your own business. You hear a car approaching rather quickly. You turn around and BAM, you're a victim of a drunk driver. Again, extreme case, but what if you suffer because of someone else's wrong choice?</p>
<p>surfette:You can still admire me, you can just disagree with my views..:) </p>
<p>I have had alcohol before and, honestly, didn't like it. Maybe it's an acquired taste? Anywho, moving on. Alcohol takes a long time to travel through your liver; your organs have to work extra hard to get it through your system. Obviously, the occasional drink won't kill you, but it will increase likeliness of having liver problems a lot sooner. Am I really the only one who paid attention in those health classes? </p>
<p>I know that lots of people drink. I'm sure my parents have gotten drunk before. It's still a bad thing (think back to that popular saying regarding jumping off bridges). Look, choosing to drink is a bad choice. If you've done so and haven't faced any serious repercussions (that you remember at least), good for you. You've been lucky. But it's likely you'll have that day you have "one too many" and do something you'll regret. I'm not characterizing everyone who drinks under any categories, save one, people who make bad choices. And, yes, I feel that people who don't make bad choices are slightly better than those who do...</p>
<p>Ah, now we reach my social future. I wonder how I'll fit in in college. I doubt I'll be Mr. Popular, not only because of my view on drinking but because I'm a very judgmental person for whom first impressions are critical. Fortunately, I always managed to find a few people who admire/like me; the rest of my classmates accept me or give me that impression. </p>
<p>Now, to be completely honest, your lone soldier comment confused me (are you drunk, lol?). People would lie to me (about drinking?) because they wouldn't want to lose my friendship? Shouldn't you be implying I wouldn't have any friends because of my views? If you're saying people will simply tell me they don't drink (and thus lie to me), I wouldn't really care. At least, I'd have their friendship...</p>
<p>PS A small part of me wants to argue that "I'm still better than you" statement... </p>
<p>PS x2
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i'm surrounded by idiots.
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I have a great SpongeBob shirt that say that! It has Squidward being grouchy and SpongeBob/Patrick being goofy. It's one of my favorites!</p>
<p>-The Lone Coot66</p>
<p>"PS x2. YES COLLEGE ADMISSIONS OFFICERS CHECK THIS BOARD. YES IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY WILL READ A "INCRIMINATING" POST. BUT IF YOU ALL ARE SOOOOO SMART PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS. WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS OFFICER IS AN ADMISSIONS OFFICER AT A SCHOOL YOU WILL BE APPLYING TO? THAT HE CONNECTS YOUR POST ABOUT DRINKING TO A POST CONCERNING YOUR STATS? THAT HE KNOWS YOUR REAL NAME? THAT HE WILL REMEMBER YOUR REAL NAME? THAT HE CARES?"</p>
<p>I am just putting it out there. I could care less (see my god damn user name) if they would find out about me. I am just reminding people that EVERYONE can view this, and that it is permanent. So stop PMS'ing.</p>
<p>You can argue about everything you want to, about what you need to do, and what you don't/shouldn't do. But it's all the same thing.</p>
<p>What you say is mainly influenced by what you have grown up, or how you were brought up.</p>
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<p>I despise you because you drive a car. How about that...You drive and burn fossil fuels thus destroying our planet? What's to become of the new few generations when they CAN'T go outside because the ozone is just soo screwed up?</p>
<p>That's an example that could be said. You are stereotyping pretty much a society of social drinkers who go to the pub down the street for a cold one and a nice chat, or to unwind from the day. You put them, those very honest people along with those that drink whenever they get their hands on the bottle.</p>
<p>As a U.S. citizen you are entitled to your own opinion, but having such opinions does not make you any better of a person.</p>
<p>I don't think stereotyping is the word you meant to use because, if it is, your second-to-last paragraph doesn't make much sense. But I'm sure I get the the gist of it, so I'll respond. I'm not stereotyping all drinkers as anything except people who make bad choices! I said that in my last post! </p>
<p>And, out of curiosity, if I was a U.S. permananent resident, would I be entitled to my opinion as well? (LOL, I'm just joshing with you!) </p>
<p>I never said I'm a better person because of my opinions; I'm a better person because of my actions (in this case, choosing to stay dry).</p>
<p>-The Permanent Coot66</p>
<p>COOT66...you're alright. I wasn't a drinker in HS (yeah, I got drunk...once in HS...Andre Cold Duck anyone?!) but I didn't like the taste of beer then and I don't like it to this day. Also, seeing one of my 8th grade girlfriends get wasted and then pee all over another girl probably helped turn my desire for "experimenting" with booze off.</p>
<p>Once at college I pretty much stayed dry...an occasional margarita or Long Island ice tea (martinis were not in vogue back then). I rarely drink to this day...one a month or two. Stick with your gut, there are plenty of people wo are out there who aren't drinkers (though you might steer away from the frat rush).</p>
<p>During my parents day it was customary to have a cocktail at home before dinner...seems positively weird to me when I think of it...smoking was also very popular and look where that led a lot of people. I like people with conviction. Don't back down.</p>
<p>beer pong!
get the keg!</p>