Dual-degree / double-degree / joint-degree programs down South (emphasis on B.M./B.S. or B.A./B.S)?

I’m looking for a school with a dual-degree program that offers and Bachelor’s in Music Performance and Bachelor’s in Biochemistry).

Let me see if I’ve got all the ones:

Jyard/Columbia
Oberlin
Tufts/NEC
Harvard/NEC
Lawrence University
Eastman/URochester
UMich
Bard
Northwestern
JHU/Peabody
Carnegie Mellon
Indiana/Jacobs
CCM/Cincinnati

THEY’RE ALL IN COLD WEATHER PLACES (at least “most of the time” cold weather places). I grew up in Jersey and, yes, it gets hot in the summers, but still its very ephemeral. And for two of the five warm months I’m plagued by allergies. So… are there any schools in the South or west coast that offer a five-year dual degree program?

So far I’ve found two:

University of Redlands
Rice/Shepherd (Oh, what a reach)

Anymore? (Please say yes!)

Thanks for reading!
Celloboy :slight_smile:

Vanderbilt would be a good addition to your list. You recommend looking into USC (University of Southern California.) I’ve heard it’s possible to get a double degree there, but unsure how supportive they are - might be easier to just minor in music. Rice, on the other hand, is definitely not supportive of double degrees. No idea about CCM/UC - I never hear it mentioned for double degrees. Not sure about CMU either - I believe they may have a special science degree with a minor in music? Juilliard/Columbia is a BA/MM. Same for Harvard/NEC. In other words you get a BA in the academic subject - mostly in three years, and then finish at Juilliard or NEC for an MM.

You might consider a double major rather than a double degree which would open up more schools - like Emory in Georgia, or any of the liberal arts colleges in warmer climes like the Claremont Colleges.

You have read through the Johns Hopkins piece about double degrees vs. double majors, yes?

http://www.peabody.jhu.edu/conservatory/admissions/tips/doubledegree.html :slight_smile:

Sorry, I tried hard to find a double degree program at Miami Frost, but only found double majors. University of Puget Sound is a possibility (conservatory on campus). Don’t see biochem but bio and chem. University of the Pacific.in Stockton has a conservatory on campus and does have a biochem major. Lewis and Clark has biochem/molecular biology and music majors, no conservatory. University of North Texas has an excellent music school and a biochem major.

These schools don’t promote a double degree but it might be possible. Just some ideas to look into. All great schools.

After this past winter, a lot of us in the Northeast are dreaming of warmer climes…

Hey there! I’ve done a ton of research on this stuff, since I have a similar dual/double degree goal. What I found after visiting schools was that you can do a dual degree in music and something else pretty much anywhere you go, regardless of whether there’s a specific ‘dual degree program’ that the school promotes. I met music dual degree students at every university I visited. It’s always possible (especially if you’re planning to graduate in 5 years instead of 4); it really depends more on your abilities.

That being said, do keep in mind the logistics of the dual degree. The doubling schedule is clumsier in places like Eastman/URoch and Tufts/NEC, where the schools are either geographically removed from each other (Eastman is a shuttle’s ride from the River Campus), or are completely separate entities.

Anyway, for a BM/BS, USC and Vandy for sure.

If you just want a BA/BS, you can get that at almost any school. Very doable in 4 years, even. UCLA has a performance-focused BA. UCBerkeley’s really good for biochem, and it has a cozy department of music. Endless options for this route.

Vanderbilt/Blair is also a double major, not a dual degree. The primary degree is a BM, however, as it is at Frost/Miami.
These are 4-year degrees, not the 5-year dual degree (BM/BA or BS) route. Emory is a BA, but it is one of the few BA programs that specifies it is a performance based major. And many of the Music majors also double major.

Also, as @elpiano noted, among other issues (science and music can often produce lab/rehearsal conflicts) geography can be an issue. UMich, for example, houses its music school on the North Campus, which is a MINIMUM 20-minute ride in good weather to the Central Campus, for those looking to do a dual degree. Not that it isn’t doable, but it requires precise scheduling.

Also, of the programs you’ve listed above, the Tufts/NEC is a dual undergrad degree. The Harvard/NEC is a BA/MM path. At these, and programs like JHU/Peabody and Jyard/Columbia, you must be accepted into both schools AND into the dual-degree program. It is possible to be accepted at both schools but NOT be accepted into the dual degree program.

Carnegie Mellon offers double majors (BFA in music with a second major in liberal arts or sciences) but not true degrees—they have what they call their “BXA” program (either BHA or BSA, depending on whether the cross-disciplinary major is in the humanities or sciences). HOWEVER, this is not a “dual degree” in the sense you may be thinking of - it is specifically an interdisciplinary major in music and another subject, where the person doing the major ties two areas of deep interest into a cohesive whole.

Definitely not warm weather but you can get a dual degree through CIM/ CWRU in Cleveland.

And Cleveland is great.

But CIM/Case do not collaborate as closely as some. And there’s the matter of CIM’s “fee” of $5K per TERM to participate in the program (per visit to CIM in March). This fee is not eligible for FA. And you’re on your own for scheduling classes at Case. OTOH, for those who want to pursue a dual degree, you don’t have to apply to both schools; it’s all done through CIM. If you get into CIM and you can swing it, you can automatically pursue the second degree at Case. You do let them know when you apply.

Something else to keep in mind. Going in knowing you plan to do a dual degree or even double major, it pays to make sure the studio teachers on your instrument are supportive. This varies from studio to studio within each school, with some professors more open to it than others. Some schools have a large culture of dual degree seekers, others less so. At Bard, ALL con students are dual degree candidates; thus, all music profs expect it. At Northwestern, they tout 1/3 of the BM candidates are also dual-degree seekers, and another 1/3 are double majors. So most profs there will have at least some students in the dual degree program. The fewer students in a school who pursue a dual degree, the less likely, it seems to me, the studio culture in which such a pursuit is accepted. At least, that was our impression on the last round of visits (a couple of months ago).

CMU will also let you do a true double degree, but they don’t make it easy.

At UMich, dual degrees are easier from a campus perspective if the second one is in engineering - which is also on North Campus. My D has only had one class/semester on Central Campus so far. Of course scheduling engineering labs around orchestra rehearsals is another story…

JHU/Peabody also requires a bus ride between campuses.

I totally agree on checking support levels with specific studios/professors - it can vary tremendously.

Here is my 2 cents.

This was a big selling point at Lawrence and a good number of students do it. I know a couple who have done their 5 year program and really liked it. It was front and center in recruiting.

At IU, you can do a BM or a BSOF which allows outside study in a chosen field. However it is NOT a dual degree. It is more like a minor. Arts administration and theatre are common outside fields. I just sat through graduation and most undergrad degrees were BM but there were a good number of BSOF too. I think I recall one double degree if I understood the degree announcement correctly. It is NOT promoted at the school. I had to dig a bit for the BSOF information and even with that degree music is front and center in all. Sorority and fraternity activities are also discouraged. You are to be spending your evenings in ensembles and days going to class and practicing. So…listen carefully to what admission people are saying or not saying. If there is not a clear dual degree path and you are getting a “well yea a couple of students have done it and yea if you work hard you can make it happen”, it may not be the right choice for you. Find a school that supports the dual degree.

Also my daughter applies as a BSOF. She could have applied as a BM and changed to BSOF but we didn’t really know not to be anything but honest - which is of course the best thing to be. In one of her many “I’m not good enough moments” with her teacher who is quite famous (like many of them), her teacher said “I wouldn’t have asked you to be in my studio if you weren’t good enough. I don’t have to accept a freshman BSOF student. There are plenty of grad students to pick from.” I thought it was curious that she mentioned the BSOF. She couldn’t have just said freshman. I still don’t KNOW what that meant but just FYI.

These are all the little nuggets that go into trying to find the right “fit” along with the evasive beautiful weather!

My S is just about to finish getting a dual degree at UM, one more semester left, in cello performance and math. He was able to schedule his academic classes on central campus so that he only had to make at most one trip there a day. He did not find the travel between campuses to be a big deal or overly onerous- YMMV. I won’t say it was easy but it has been very doable for him. When the 2nd degree is in something that has a lot of labs to schedule that is going to be an extra factor that makes it more difficult logistically. He jokes that he should graduate with a 3rd degree in scheduling logistics :slight_smile:
Lawrence loves multi-interested students and offers them true support.

Regarding UMich class scheduling issue: They structure class times so that central campus and north campus have different staring time. One starts on the hour, the other starts one the :30. Assuming class time is 50 minutes, students have ample time to go to a different campus for classes. Their bus services is very good, I don’t think it takes 20 minutes.

Noticed that OP was specifically asking about schools in the South with good music and double degree opt Some schools I’m familiar with that might fit this profile are Furman in SC, FSU, U Miami and Stetson in FL. Belmont in Tenn. I’m sure there are others. One suggestion is to look at the website for the National Association of Schools of Music and do a search based on geographical preference.

I don’t know about Furman or Stetson. UMiami is NOT a dual degree. While they offer dual degrees in some of their schools, Frost is not one of those that has a dual undergrad degree path (we asked). They do encourage double majors. They only provide financial support through the completion of a SINGLE undergrad major, so making sure to leave that last requirement open till you’re ready to complete BOTH majors is critical.