happymomof1@ She is not interested in UMBC (can get full ride there probably). She will be fine in UMUC, but she just wants to go away.
Yes, she is in competitive school and there are advance classes there. The problem that they are all do not give any credit for college, so technically they are waste of efforts.
Rice doesn’t give any credit if the dual credit courses were used to meet high school graduation requirements. Rice is generous in accepting AP credits with scores of 4 or 5. https://registrar.rice.edu/students/ap_credit
https://registrar.rice.edu/students/high_school
Don’t know if anyone pointed this out upthread, but BU’s policy as far as I know is, if you count it on your transcript when you apply, you cannot then use the same credit towards BU.
Also, has anyone mentioned that some of these schools might not consider CC to be that rigorous or impressive? Have you also considered online courses? Personally, I wouldn’t send my kids to CC during high school as the high school is better than the local CC’s. Depends on where you live I’d guess.
Looked at what can be done, so we would not waste too much efforts and money for nothing. This should be easy to do for my daughter.
Here is school proposed transcript - Senior Year
1-2 AP Chem - double period
3 AP Geography
4. Differential Equations ( through Dual Enrollment CC -fall semester -online)
5. Some Advanced US History class (through Dual Enrollment CC - short winter semester-online)
6. Honor Engineering class one semester/ Honor World Study second ( first part is already taken)
7. Honors English 12
8. Chorus (for fun and fulfill 8 classes requirement)
Spring quarter Dual Enrollment MV Calculus at CC (online) not on transcript!
3 exams end of senior year (MV Calc, AP Chem and AP Geography.)
1 exam in fall (Diff. Eq)
1 exam in winter (History)
Does it look balanced enough and challenging enough for engineering student? This should look like 5 advanced classes.
She can take Statics during summer after graduation if she would like. Depending on school she will be heading to.
Differential Equations credit will not be so disappointing to loose. It should be easy A in college for technical kid.
I’m not entirely clear what you mean by “The problem that they are all do not give any credit for college, so technically they are waste of efforts.”
Are you saying that you don’t see any point in her taking advanced courses since they won’t be guaranteed college credit everywhere she might attend? The reason usually given for taking advanced classes is so that the student has a chance to push themselves academically and learn some new material. If she’s not interested in learning this stuff, then she shouldn’t be taking the classes. If she is interested in learning it, then she should take the classes and let the college/university she ends up at decide what to do about her level of mastery of that material. Usually, colleges and universities have their own placement exams for mathematics. If she does cover Diff Eq and MV Calculus at a CC, it won’t matter one bit that some of those credits aren’t on her HS transcript. They will be on the CC transcript, and she can take the appropriate math placement exam once she does get to college. Even if the credits don’t transfer, it is entirely possible that she could place out of those classes, and go straight into the next higher level course.
What does she think of this course schedule? Is it her idea to do all of the online things, or is it yours?
If you take majority classes in school, then one class dual enrollment can work either online or late at night (you need time to travel from school to CC). She would prefer face to face, but evening class will not allow her to do any EC senior year. So no other choice.
@Happymomof1, I am not sure you are correct about level and placement exams. If class is a core for the major (and math is always for engineers), you cannot skip that class. You cannot take advanced math that would replace Differential Equations on your transcript. Possibly you can take some fancy Dif Eq if they exist in particular school, but that would be case by case and class would be on the level of Math majors (my daughter is not interested in that route.)
We also thinking about replacing Honor Eng 12- very lame course , with Introduction to Creative Writing - Fiction (Dual Enrollment on transcript). It should look good for transcript and will be fun for her.
My daughter is crazy for writing fictions and hates any other forms of writing :). UMD and GaTech will give credit for it.
I would treat the cost as money for enjoyment.
@momsearcheng - I am not familiar with specific requirements for sequences at ABET accredited engineering programs. There may be restrictions that are distinct to those. I do know that in general, each institution, and often each department within an institution, has its own policies about placement exams. If your daughter wants to maximize the use of her college-level AP exam results and DE coursework, she should spend some time investigating these policies. For example, if Diff Eq at the CC is substantially the same as Diff Eq at the college/university where she ends up, and a placement exam is available, she can take that exam (it is possible that she could be essentially obligated to take the exam) and see whether she can just move on to the next course in that required for her major, or if she can be considered to have fulfilled that specific degree requirement. Even though Diff Eq would not appear on her college/university transcript as a transfer credit, there would be an annotation that the course was waived by exam.
@Happymomof1, thanks. We will see where she would go. Public schools will take it anyway.
Private probably will not. They would want money :). As I mentioned before class by exam may or may not work.
If it is pass/fail - definitely great option to consider. If school forces you take exam for letter grade with grade appearing on your transcript, then it is very risky business due to differences of classes.
Actually Differential Equations may be not too bad for examination. It should be relatively straight forward.
But if she will take it in first semester there would be whole year gap…
On the other hand if she would take MV calc first semester - it would not be on transcript. She would need to provide grade to college to show that she is strong student.
Don’t worry about a placement exam resulting in a grade on the college transcript! That won’t happen. The student doesn’t get academic credit. They get a class waived as a pre-requisite for another class and/or as a degree requirement. This means that they still have to take the same number of total credits as other students in their program, but they can use those for more electives. The waiver process is the same as for a native-speaker who wants to take an advanced literature class in their first language. There aren’t grades on the transcript for umpteen lower-level courses in that language, just permission of the instructor to enter at the higher level.
Is the Creative Writing class transferable to your State flagship Uni? Will it count to fulfill English course requirement? Would it count for credit for an English major at the Uni? If not, then it won’t look as good as you think it might.
Yes math classes on the high school transcript to fulfill grad requirements among others can transfer from cc to GT depending on the school in which they were taken. We did it but I verified the credits would transfer using the equivalency tables in advance. So multivariable, diff eq and linear can transfer depending on the school in which they were taken. However GT will not accept most courses taken online at a college.
Just for info. This CC has face to face midterms and finals for all advanced courses including Math. GT takes their online classes.