<p>Schools attended after high school, don’t always accept AP credit, but they generally do for CC credit. </p>
<p>Consolation, in my experience universities consider 18 yr olds with dual enrollment credit as freshmen for admission.</p>
<p>Reed college rarely gave credit for AP. They may for calc, but they don’t recommend it. Your best shot would be if you were majoring in a language and could prove you were fluent.</p>
<p>They did give credit for CC classes that my daughter took during her break after she got pre approval- however they do not give credit for courses to meet high school grad requirements )</p>
<p>It also appears as if they have loosened up their current policies.
They allow more AP test credits towards those required for graduation, but not for advanced placement.</p>
<p>Foreign languages are a special case in that college foreign language departments often have their own placement procedures to accommodate heritage speakers who are not fully fluent (but more advanced than the beginner course), students who have had the foreign language in high school but did not take any AP or SAT subject test in it, etc… AP foreign language may be the case where the AP test is more useful for admission (to show knowledge of the language in the absence of high school course work) than placement (since the college language department has its own placement procedure anyway).</p>
<p>Reed seems to be generous with giving credit for AP tests, but less generous for placement.</p>
<p>Private high schools in my area ( which my oldest attended), often do not offer AP/IB courses. Her school curriculum was much narrower & deeper than AP courses often are. Not always a good thing as courses at Reed have been likened to standing under a fire hose & it took her a while to acclimate.</p>
<p>UCB, I don’t know about St John’s, but Harvey Mudd does offer some AP credit. What is unusual is that they specifically DO NOT for AP BC Calc as they expect every freshman to already have a good grasp of two terms of Calculus and the “C” portion of the AP BC calc does not cover Green’s and STokes’ theoroms to the degree that they want. So they will test those students who think that they can skip Calc 3 to see if they indeed can. AP BIo is another course that does not always cover what a science department considers their bio course, and schools often will only give credit for that as non base course–it does not replace the basic bio course and if anyone wants to go up the BIo ladder, the first level bio course has to be taken.</p>
<p>Also bear in mind that most med schools will not take AP test scores in lieu of the actual college courses.</p>
<p>Getting CREDIT for an AP exam is a whole other story than getting an exemption for a course or getting to “move up”. You can get credit for AP Bio, in many schools and many times that will take care of your science requirement, but it’ll be a whole other story, if you say you are pre med or a science major. You are very like to have to take another bio course and in some cases forfeit your AP credit in doing so. It makes sense–if you are a music major the AP BIo is fine, probably a lot more science that the Study of Rocks, or Life in SPace courses that also can fulfill your science requisrement, but med school isn’t going to take your AP BIo for its Biology requirement. </p>
<p>In the case of HM, ALL students are expected already have Calc under their belts so NO ONE gets credit for calculus. They will give credit for AP Stats C, however. I know some kids who went to HM and they did get some AP credit.</p>
<p>Some schools are becoming increasingly stingy about giving AP credit and credit for courses taken outside of their schools enabling kids to get out a year or a term early, is what I have heard. Anyone find this the case? Holy Cross was a school that came up in that discussion.</p>
<p>A lot of top schools offer honors or advanced sections for students who aced the AP test but plan on majoring in the field. This not only provides a quick review, but the assignments deal with more complex elements that the AP class might have only touched upon. One presumes that students taking these courses will be better prepared for subsequent classes that build upon that foundation.</p>
<p>Late to the conversation here but we were told by an admissions counselor at Rice University that they considered classes taken at a local state or community college ( not a flagship university) to only be “honors” level whereas AP was more or less, the gold standard and weighted as such. We are also stuck with AICE classes here in Florida and while the university in the Florida system must take the AICE and AP classes, it is hard to find any other schools that will take them. They are generally the equivalent of AS or A levels depending on the class you take. Total waste.</p>
<p>I didn’t have time to read the entire thread, so if this was said already I apologize.</p>
<p>One big difference between the two choices has to do with Law School applications and probably Med school and other grad programs too, though I can’t be sure. But for Law school when they calculate your GPA they use ALL of your college credit classes, even those you might have taken when you were 14 and still in high school.</p>
<p>Yes, for law school or medical school, A grades in dual enrollment courses can start your GPA off right, but any other grades can be harmful for law school or medical school admissions.</p>
<p>None of the schools our DD is applying to will take AP or DE credits in her major, or for pre-med required courses. If the college accepts the credits to start, they are considered “elective” credits, not counting toward her major and defiantly NOT accepted for her pre-med requirements.</p>
<p>Accepting the credits for the major is a whole separate thing from requireing them to be reported for transcript purposes by a professional school. Though it makes no sense, the medical schools do indeed want those dual enrollment grades even if they won’t take the course as fullfilling one of the science requirements. </p>
<p>Overall, I would go for the AP. Your grades stay with your high school transcript, THey are more universally useful. THey are usually more convenient in that they are built around your highschool logistically.</p>
<p>One can always take the college class and sign up for the AP test. My son did this for chemistry because some colleges value AP test scores over college grades.</p>
<p>cptofthehouse, S went to D, where they have a very specific list of what “credits” they give for certain AP results. But it is my understanding that at D when they say they are giving you “credit” for Math 3, for example, it means that you are regarding as having satisfied a prereq for higher level math classes, not a “credit” toward graduation, or even a distribution requirement. S had 5s in Chem and Bio APs and a 4 in a Physics and Calc, but he still had to take more science and math at D. Same thing with history. I may have misunderstood, because generally he wanted t take more courses, not fewer, but I don’t think so.</p>
<p>For the languages, it is indeed possible to fulfill the language requirement. (Ironically, S, who had 5s in three language APs, fulfilling the requirement 3 times over, chose to take a year of a third language and major in another. )</p>
<p>Regarding the university situation, the school that he was trying to attend did in fact have an early attendance program. If one were a student at a HS, one had to be a junior, IIRC. Homeschoolers were allowed to take courses earlier. My S would have been helped by the administrator of this program if he were homeschooled. </p>
<p>The closest private college is Bowdoin. I’ve never heard of local HS students taking courses there, and we didn’t even bother to try. For one thing, the cost of the course would have been far beyond our means.</p>
<p>Yes, people have to realize that AP scores may be used for three different things, and different colleges may not necessarily have the same combination of uses:</p>
<p>A. Credit units toward the minimum number of credit units for graduation.
B. Subject credit for graduation (major or non-major) requirements.
C. Placement into more advanced courses.</p>
<p>If you get A but not B or C, you just end up with free elective units that can allow you to take light course loads without delaying graduation, or graduate earlier (assuming your major course plan would otherwise need free elective units to make the credit unit minimum to graduate).</p>
<p>If you get B, then you can substitute a free elective in place of a required course.</p>
<p>If you get C, then you can take more advanced courses sooner (though you may have to take more of them if you do not also get B).</p>
<p>Let’s place that in the right context … a class taken at a local state will not be considered a college course, but the wannabe quasi-college course that IS a glorified high school course taught by a high school teacher would be considered the gold standard?</p>
<p>The nutty fascination with the AP program is really boundless. Makes you wonder how much time they spent analyzing those milewide and one inch deep courses and tests.</p>
<p>They are probably just lazy and do not want to have to sort out rigorous college courses from the “introduction to geology [rocks for jocks]”, “calculus [for business majors]”, and similar courses that exist at a lot of colleges. AP is a relatively well known in comparison (though one would hope that they weight “AP lite” courses appropriately).</p>
<p>Also MIT requires students to get 5s on both physics C exams in order to place out of Mechanics. In order to place out of E&M, students must take the ASE (Advanced Standing Exam). They do accept the Calc B/C exam. They accept a 5 on the AP lit or lang. only as far as placement for freshmen HAAS classes.</p>
<p>I reiterate that my son was able to transfer in four math courses from a California community college system (it has three campuses within this particular district) and he was able to receive some sort of credit for two semesters of Arabic from same Ca. CC system.</p>
<p>I also think, though it may cost more, doing both AP and community college classes (we couldn’t afford university courses for credit, just free audits, which, of course, didn’t transfer) can be a sound way to go since students are applying to a variety of schools, each with their own policy.</p>
<p>FWIW, we had heard that MIT was notorious for not giving transfer credit, so how my son ended up getting so much is beyond me. He was happy to be able to jump into sophomore/junior level classes that he’s been wanting to take for a while.</p>
<p>Could be because he took relatively standard math courses, while those that lose transfer credit may have been trying to transfer courses like “calculus for business majors”, “physics for biology majors”, “intermediate micro/macro economics with less math” that probably have no equivalents at MIT. Also, MIT accelerates calculus so that three semesters of calculus at most schools is done in two semesters at MIT, which may appear to be a “loss” of transfer credit.</p>
<p>I dunno, ucb. My friend’s son, a current MIT sophomore, took about 17 or so APs and did dual enrollment at a local university and didn’t get credit for his classes. I’m sure they weren’t “lite”.</p>
<p>I will reiterate my other mantra besides, “Get 5s on all your exams”, and that is, “Save your syllabuses.” MIT may be the only school to require it but ya never know. We had to dig up syllabuses (and contact professors from at least 3-4 years ago when we couldn’t find what we needed) as well as the table of contents of the textbook used.</p>
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