<p>This thread has really degenerated into a free-for-all for Duke-haters to bash the university and the great things it offers and the wonderful people there. If the last paragraph quoted above does not point directly to character development, I don't know what does. Also, I have a hard time believing that any carefullly crafted and prominently displayed 'mission statement' would have prevented these scumbags from doing what they did. </p>
<p>If anyone in admin is to blame it is the coach for allowing an atmosphere of arrogance and entitlement to develop and not keeping these kids on a tighter leash. This party involved the entire team and was one day after a big West Coast tournament. I do not believe for a second that the coach or his staff knew nothing about this party or the aftermath, and I sincerely believe he should be and will be separated from Duke as a part of this. The conduct of his team has brought shame and disgrace, even if no charges are ever filed, and that should be the first measure of any university employee. </p>
<p>The information in the press indicates that the University was prepared to bring team members to the table to get the full story, but that the individuals hired their own attorneys and the university was unable to coerce them to make statements at that point. The DA, who is clearly making a name for himself on this, has publically stated that the university is cooperating fully with the investigation. Brodhead is not the problem here - I think he is exactly the person Duke needs at this point to bring the community together and set forth a clear agenda on what is expected of every member of the Duke community - just don't call it a mission statement.</p>
<p>To answer your question, someone here said it was around 1200+. Few years ago, I read about Northwestern's athletes having 2nd highest (1st was Stanford) and it was only around 1150 or so. So I expect Duke's average to be around the same. Unless there's something unique about lax players, I don't expect theirs to be anywhere close to 1400-1500 that regular Dukies have.</p>
<p>Sam Lee- there actually IS something a little unique about lacrosse players. Most of them come from either top private schools or public schools in affluent areas. That is the nature of the sport. As a result, the SAT scores are likely to be quite high. Not in every case, of course, but the LAX player SATs are probably well over 1200. 1200 is a minimum in order to be recruited. Many of these players would have been perfectly qualified for Duke even without their sport.
I am not defending this incident and we have very incomplete information.
I agree that the coach has a tremedous role in this whole thing.</p>
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<p>I don't know the scores of the AVERAGE Duke lacrosse player. </p>
<p>I know that the lacrosse coaches won't talk to a kid who doesn't exceed 1200/1600 on the SAT (it may be a little higher but the 1200 was thrown around during recruiting) with well over a 3.0 UW (3.3-3.6?) plus honors and APs. That's a minimum for any consideration at all. Basically, admissions is not going to let a kid in who can't do the work.</p>
<p>What's the minimum for any consideration for a Duke applicant? To make an effective comparision, you'd need to talk average to average or minimum to minimum. </p>
<p>If you want to discuss maximums -- Duke recruited a young man who is currently playing for Harvard, He scored 1580 with a 3.95 GPA uw. I know him personally -- and I am SO glad that he's not at Duke. And for Hazmat's benefit -- this kid is a Duke legacy.</p>
<p>When you think about it though, 1200 is still a little low when you consider the priveleged background most of these guys have. If someone grows up going to the best boarding schools, he'd better have a 1200 on his SAT!</p>
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It's somewhat unfortunate (although I hate Duke, so I'm gloating) that Duke's reputation will be so negatively affected,
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<p>Have to say, I'm not at all disappointed that Duke is hated by someone who would go so far as to gloat over an event involving a woman being raped.</p>
<p>Most of the D1 lax recruits were committed to their schools by 9/1, applied ED, and its a done deal. Only option for them on 4/1 is to go for a PG year ...</p>
<p>The reason I am asking is because I know they can choose PG year which would give some time to see who is coaching, who if any are gone from the Duke Program. I should think this is a thing one might be acting on right about now.</p>
<p>He should go understanding that there is a very good chance that the current coach will not be his coach. I have no inside info here, just connecting the dots. As an non-booster alum, with zero lax connections, I would be extremely upset if this does not cost him his job, even if no charges are filed (which looks extremely unlikely).</p>
<p>I hear 'ya. There sure seems to be enough to dismiss from my view. The biggest issue at this point is what will happen to the program from NCAA for example. Will there be any penalty issued or sanction put forth?? I am doubtful but seems to me many rules were not enforced.</p>
<p>I am wondering how the prepschools are handling this case with their newly recruited students......their next generation recruits. How will summer programs handle this.</p>
<p>I can't imagine any scenario - even complete exoneration of the players of the rape - in which the coach would still have a job here after this year.</p>
<p>you mean his grandstanding about the forfeiture of games? I am curious whether he was a sell out because it was win at whatever cost or whether he is just a coach for ball and stick but has not ball or stick. I am still wondering because he had coached a US Team before as I recall. Did he fail to coach or fail to lead or was he undermined and determine that he would stay anyway? He does need to be separated that is clear.</p>
<p>ok, let's catch our breath here...even in 'best' case scenario (players proven innocent of criminal conduct), we agree that coach should go, and possibly ringleader players involved suspended or expelled (are they seniors?). But penalizing the program further with NCAA sanctions seems outside the NCAA's purvey of regulating student behavior or university behavior regarding a student. I am NOT saying THIS happens at every school, but surely no one out there (even Myles Brand) is naive enought to think that no underage athletes drink and none have (paid) sex.<br>
Now if there were RECRUITS at this party you might have a case...If a player is kicked off a team for detrimental moral conduct, the program does not take a hit from the NCAA unless there were violations involved.</p>
<p>I hope every AD & coach of every men's sport at every school right now is going through an 'educational process' with his players to make sure they see how the conduct of a few can undermine an entire program or even institution. Cause you all know these off-campus parties are not unique to Duke.</p>