Duke or Northwestern?!

<p>Hi.</p>

<p>I have to choose 6 colleges for recommendations. I've already decided on 5 of them and IDK about the sixth one..its either Duke or Northwestern.</p>

<p>I like both of them equally but I dont know much about them.
I think it comes down to my major.</p>

<p>If I go to a applied math/computer science/economics major with a music minor (I plan on applying to the 5 year engineering/music program at NW), which school is better?</p>

<p>Also, Duke is harder to get into than NW, right?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Check this out for applied math:</p>

<p>[MMSS</a>, Weinberg College of Arts & Sciences, Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.mmss.northwestern.edu%5DMMSS”>http://www.mmss.northwestern.edu)</p>

<p>I would pick Northwestern simply b/c Duke doesn’t have this program :P</p>

<p>[ul][<em>]Duke is slightly stronger in computer science.
[</em>]Northwestern is slightly stronger in economics.
[<em>]Northwestern is stronger in music performance.
[</em>]The math programs are comparable.
[li]The musicology programs are compable.[/ul]Clearly that doesn’t help you much. Deciding based on perceived academic differences would be foolish. </p>[/li]
<p>I would recommend considering the following factors instead:</p>

<p>– cold weather (NU) vs. warm weather (Duke)
– football (NU) vs. basketball (Duke)
– quarter system (NU) vs. semester system (Duke)
– 8300 undergrads and 6300 grads (NU) vs. 6300 undergrads and 2800 grads (Duke)
– integrated freshmen (NU) vs. separate campus for freshmen (Duke)
– suburb of a very large city (NU) vs. smaller city (Duke)</p>

<p>I would personally pick Duke simply because, all other things being equal, I will always go for warmer weather.</p>

<p>“I like both of them equally but I dont know much about them.”</p>

<p>I don’t understand. What do you like about them?</p>

<p>I don’t get why somebody smart enough to get into Duke wouldn’t go somewhere else.</p>

<p>^^^Bitterness, FTW</p>

<p>I mean that they are both prestigious schools and that’s all i know. I wouldn’t mind going to either Duke or NW</p>

<p>Duke-better school</p>

<p>^ please elaborate</p>

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<p>Beautiful slaves to be taken advantage of at your beck and call. Feast, drink, pot–a veritable Dionysian paradise.</p>

<p>Well, Northwestern offers more programs related to your interests; other than the fields you mentioned, you may also want to check out the following:
[Northwestern</a> University - Industrial Engineering and Management Sciences<a href=“ranked%20in%20the%20top-5”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/certificate/index.htm]Kellogg”>http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/certificate/index.htm]Kellogg</a> School Certificate Program for Undergraduates - Kellogg School of Management - Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.iems.northwestern.edu/]Northwestern”>http://www.iems.northwestern.edu/)
[MMSS</a>, Weinberg College of Arts & Sciences, Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.mmss.northwestern.edu/]MMSS”>http://www.mmss.northwestern.edu/)</p>

<p>Also, there’s no applied math for undergrads at Duke. At Northwestern, you can major in it in the engineering school.</p>

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Have you been watching Gossip Girl? ;)</p>

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That’s a bit misleading, as it implies Duke has no offerings in applied math. What you meant to say, I believe, is that it does not offer a major in the subject at the undergraduate level. </p>

<p>I’m not sure that’s a huge problem. One of my friends is at Duke and studies applied math through some sort of create-your-own major. I don’t know how difficult it is to do that, but it’s certainly an option.</p>

<p>OP,
I see that you are from California. Have you visited either school? Personally I prefer Duke to Northwestern, but plenty of folks will have lots of good reasons to feel the opposite way. </p>

<p>One very obvious differeniator is the weather. If possible, visit Evanston in January or February. If you’re okay with the cold at that time of year, then Northwestern perhaps goes up a bit in your calculations. But don’t underestimate the cold and how that affects your day-to-day life and this is especially relevant for one coming from California. Also, note the differences in academic calendars. Northwestern tries to minimize the weather impact via their quarterly system, but this also means starting later (9/22 this year) and finishing later (6/11 in 2010) than most schools. Some folks will like that and others won’t.</p>

<p>“I would personally pick Duke simply because, all other things being equal, I will always go for warmer weather.”</p>

<p>Other things being equal, Durham is no Evanston! Chicago is an el train ride away. Go U Northwestern! Seriously, I could care less about the weather if I’m bored out of my mind once I leave the campus.</p>

<p>rjk,
I hear you. Different folks will prefer different things and I agree that Evanston as a town/city is preferable to Durham and the proximity to Chicago is nice. But some folks will consider the differences in weather and sometimes very consequential, eg,</p>

<p>Jan Avg Hi/Low
49-28 Duke
30-14 Northwestern</p>

<p>Feb Avg Hi/Low
54-30 Duke
33-18 Northwestern</p>

<p>March Avg Hi/Low
62-37 Duke
45-28 Northwestern</p>

<p>April Avg Hi Low
71-46 Duke
56-37 Northwestern</p>

<p>May Avg Hi/Low
79-56 Duke (but don’t really care cause school is out)
67-47 Northwestern </p>

<p>And if you’ve spent any time in Evanston/Chicago in the winter, you know that the wind chills will often be well below the temps listed above.</p>

<p>hawkette, I met many CA classmates who matriculated to Northwestern. Although the cold winters initially surprised them, they quickly adjusted in later semesters. Since several UC campuses operate on the quarter system, the NU quarter system is not new to them. I think the OP should choose Northwestern over Duke because of his academic interests. As rjkofnovi said previously, Durham is no Evanston.</p>

<p>In case anyone cares, in terms of student distribution and according to their respective websites, Duke and Northwestern’s classes of 2013 are as follows:</p>

<p>DUKE</p>

<p>36% Southeast (including 13% from NC)
17% Middle Atlantic/Middle States
14% Northeast/New England
10% Midwest
13% West
10% International</p>

<p>NORTHWESTERN</p>

<p>43% Midwest (including 25% from IL)
17% Middle Atlantic/Middle States
5% Northeast/New England
10% Southeast
5% Southwest
14% West
6% International</p>

<p>Classifications probably differ somewhat, eg, Duke classifies Texas as Southeast while NW has the Lone Star State as Southwestern.</p>

<p>^Do you have stats for number of restrooms? That’s very important.</p>

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Precisely. Duke graduates, what, 1500 kids each year? Given that 96% of them come back for sophomore year and only 6 schools have higher graduation rates, apparently Duke students are finding enough to do, both on campus and off. Given that my friends who attend(ed) Duke are some of the most hardworking, active, and social people I know, I really don’t think being bored is an option. </p>

<p>Besides, it’s not exactly rural Mississippi. The Triangle area has well over a million people and is one of the top 10 fastest growing areas in the country. There’s definitely enough to do to keep people busy. I grew up in Charlotte and would much rather have lived anywhere in the Triangle (yes, even Durham). </p>

<p>In any case, not everyone likes big cities. I fell in love with Cornell precisely because of its rural location. (I will admit that I loved London, but Chicago is not London.)</p>

<p>Duke can maintain its appeal regardless of where one puts it. (Since it’s in Durham, this is pretty obvious.) One wonders how Northwestern, Columbia, and Georgetown would fare if moved. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Both are excellent schools and it comes down to personal preference. For me, what really turned me off about Northwestern was the quarter system/crazy academic calendar (as well as the fact that the campus is five minutes from my house!). Others might be okay with or even prefer the quarter system, but starting in mid-September and getting out in mid-June sounds terrible to me as opposed to Duke’s starting at the end of August and getting out at the very end of April. All my friends at Northwestern seem to have midterms all the time because the terms are so much shorter - now, as I said, you would definitely get used to it and you might like it, but I personally found the system unappealing. Probably not the single most important thing to consider, but one of many. I worked at a Northwestern lab full-time during a summer starting at the beginning of May, and a Northwestern student didn’t join me until 7 weeks later! Definitely get the first crack at the summer jobs when you get out so earlier. I know a lot about both schools, so if you have specific questions, feel free to ask. </p>

<p>I’d agree with rjkofnovi and Sam Lee that Evanston is a much better college town than Durham. But there are far worse locations than Durham and there is plenty to do on and off campus at Duke. It’s not like you’re in the middle of nowhere. But if being near a very big city is important to you, Evanston might be a better fit since Chicago is so convenient. Duke has the triangle, which has over a million people, but it’s certainly no Chicago. Charlotte, DC, Atlanta, etc. aren’t terrible drives, but not nearly as convenient.</p>

<p>You might say people get used to the cold, but most don’t grow to like it. Don’t get me wrong; I love Chicago, but the cold winters suck. This January it didn’t get above zero degrees F for like 10 consecutive days. The wind chill was -20 for a considerable time. I only left my apartment when absolutely necessary, it’s miserable. 20s or 30s with a few inches of snow I can deal with, but negative 5 with a foot of snow gets old. The past two winters in Chicago have been terrible, but the winter before that was relatively mild. This summer in Chicago has also been cold (finally nice in September!); July was coldest in history with only like 3 days above 80 and it was the 8th wettest summer on record. North Carolina weather >>> Chicago weather. Might not be important to you, but it makes you more active, doing activities, getting out of your room/library, people are more out and about, and leads to a more exciting experience. Although if you want an excuse to stay in and study, you might like the cold and snow! I’m not saying Northwestern students are hermits (far from it); just that in my personal opinion, the weather of Duke is a more significant advantage than Northwestern being in a better city. </p>

<p>And Duke basketball >>> all Northwestern sports combined (coming from somebody who has attended both athletic team events extensively). I think Duke students have more pride in the university than Northwestern (mostly because of the basketball team; Northwestern remains the only BCS conference team to NEVER make the NCAA basketball tourny; although Northwestern football is clearly better than Duke’s, but the experience doesn’t even come close to rivaling Duke basketball), which leads to a happier student body. Northwestern certainly isn’t bad in this regard, I just think Duke is better. Others can feel free to disagree.</p>

<p>From the academic standpoint, Northwestern music definitely has a better reputation than Duke’s. I’d say applied math and economics are fairly comparable. Northwestern engineering is larger and thus has more departments, but each individual dept is fairly similar, but at Northwestern you’d have more choices. Because of the size of Northwestern’s engineering program, it is more well-known. But if you know you want BME, for example, Duke is one of the best in the country (as is Northwestern). Overall, from an academic standpoint, Duke probably has a big more “prestige” and it slightly harder to get into it, if you’re into that, but Northwestern certainly is one of the best in the country and choosing based on that would be stupid, IMO.</p>

<p>Both campuses are beautiful. Northwestern along Lake Michigan, Duke’s sprawling greens and gothic architecture. Duke’s campus is more beautiful in my opinion, although Northwestern allows very easy accessibility to downtown Evanston while Duke is more segregated and thus is more inconvenient. Duke is also a lot larger and I think the facilities are nicer. (Although I haven’t gone in many of Northwestern’s buildings in the past few years).</p>

<p>Upon graduation, more Duke students go to the Northeast than Northwestern grads, while more Northwestern grads go to the midwest. Duke grads go to NYC, DC, Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, LA, in great numbers. Northwestern has a lot more connections in Chicago, obviously, and is more midwestern. But with both having good national reputations, you could really go anywhere you want; just that they’ll be more recruiters for those particular cities at Duke than Northwestern, while employers target Northwestern students more for their midwest offices.</p>

<p>In the end, you should visit both campuses and see what fits you the best. If you don’t want to visit unless you get in, then just apply to both and see what happens. Both are great and you can’t go wrong; it comes down to personal preference. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>