Duke vs. California

<p>Lol, what a joke. Here are some of his previous posts:</p>

<p>“Transferring to other school from ucb”</p>

<p>Anyone had success in it?
Although i am unsure whether or not i will want to transfer in the next couple of years, i am considering it. Anyone have any success on transferring to different school?</p>

<p>Basically, i am considering schools above berkeley in academics."</p>

<p>AND</p>

<p>“budget cut and admitting more transfers
Not so happy about all the confusion/waitlists/sitting on the damn floor when i am enrolled.
If these factors persist, i think i will hate this school even more.”</p>

<p>AND</p>

<p>“Berkeley is a great school, but i hate dealing with all these ****ty telebears/appointments and there are so many people in lectures that it is just insane.”</p>

<p>AND</p>

<p>" personally believe UCB is not hard to get in for in staters…
From my school many got into UCB not UCLA…even though ucla is considered lower than cal."</p>

<p>Hahaha. I’m guessing this kid had no luck transferring into any schools he felt were superior to Berkeley so he had a change of heart.</p>

<p>That rankings look messed up because they used the USNews so called “******” criteria.</p>

<p>Apparently, better rankings here. lol Duke kids so happy that they are spotted 13 or something in rankings! hillarious.
[ARWU</a> 2009](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp]ARWU”>http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp) </p>

<p>[An</a> Analysis of UC Berkeley’s rankings in the latest THE – QS World University Rankings 2008 at Ern Sheong’s Blog](<a href=“http://ernsheong.com/2008/10/12/an-analysis-of-uc-berkeleys-rankings-in-the-latest-the-qs-world-university-rankings-2008/]An”>http://ernsheong.com/2008/10/12/an-analysis-of-uc-berkeleys-rankings-in-the-latest-the-qs-world-university-rankings-2008/)</p>

<p>33hours: You’re a joke. Why you hatin on Duke so much? Don’t hate man…</p>

<p>According to the 2009 THE-QS rankings:</p>

<p>Duke = #14
Berkeley = #39</p>

<p>Also, the JiaoTong ARWU is extremely suspect. For example, in the 2009 rankings:</p>

<p>University of Minnesota = #28
Northwestern University = #30
Duke = #31</p>

<p>Also, Yale behind Chicago, Columbia, CalTech</p>

<p>UWisconsin two ranks below Penn</p>

<p>UCSD ahead of ETH Zurich? </p>

<p>Seriously? Can I laugh now?</p>

<p>In all seriousness, while those schools are good schools, there are significant and known issues with ARWU’s ranking criteria. I should also point out that the methodology used by Shanghai JiaoTong University heavily favors research powerhouses and science/technology orientated university to the almost exclusion of many good liberal arts/humanities-heavy universities.</p>

<p>I’m not saying Duke superior to Berkeley, I’m just saying that relying on rankings like that is a terrible idea. Both schools have their strengths but also their differences. Duke is small, Berkeley is 4 times the size of Duke. Student experiences will vary drastically between them and so will individual fit.</p>

<p>im pretty sure that those rankings were produced by a random number generator… they are absolutely ridiculous</p>

<p>did anyone ever think that some students from places like duke or berkeley are more employable than some students from hypsm simply because they have better social skills. id be interested in seeing how many hypsm kids end up not being hired or not advancing because of lack of social skills. not all, obviously, but im sure some have problems with it. the bottom line is all of these schools are good, but its ultimately going to depend on the person what their final salary in life ends up being. to the berkeley people on here - just go home, im sick of you trying to prove to yourselves that berkeley is better than duke. if you ask me, the fact that these arguments are happening on the duke forums is evidence enough that duke is a shade better. its obvious that you are insecure about your school, while the duke people (for some odd reason, i wonder why…) dont seem to feel the need to go to the berkeley forums and try to prove that their school is better. its because people already KNOW its better. so just go away dudes. seriously, no one cares what you have to say here.</p>

<p>mentorhockey22: Just out of curiosity, what makes you conclude so decisively that students at HYPSM have inferior social skills?</p>

<p>My suggestion was that SOME have inferior social skills, just as some have inferior social skills at any school. My intention was to point at that simply having a HYPSM degree doesnt make you more employable than a duke or berkeley graduate. It has a lot to do with the actual person. I’m just saying places like duke and berkeley offer a great “social education” along with world-class academics, which is something that shouldnt be overlooked. I’m just saying, lets all stop arguing about whos school is better. For me, duke is better than hypsm because i know i can get where im going at duke and im someone who likes to have a lot of fun. For others, hypsm may be better because they enjoy more (idk how to be pc here) dry? company. All im saying is, go wherever suits you and stop arguing about whos better.</p>

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<p>Just to be fair, I have a good share of friends at HYPSM. They are far from dry haha. These schools are just all DIFFERENT once you get to this type of “level,” if you want to call it that. It’s that simple. :)</p>

<p>^^ haha thank you, thats what i meant to say</p>

<p>According to Thes rankings before 2007, berkeley was always in top 10. They messed up on rankings starting from 2007 or 2008 by adding endowment or class size. Now they are revising their rankings starting next year.</p>

<p>Berkeley is rated in top 3 in all 5 fields according to THES rankings.</p>

<p>Berkeley
4 Arts & Humanities
3 Natural Sciences
2 Engineering & IT
2 Social Sciences
5 Life Sciences & Biomedicine </p>

<p>Where is duke anyway? It must be those lousy southerners who are doing the math. Duke should be in like bottom 100.</p>

<p>Duke
30 Arts & Humanities
99 Natural Sciences
138 Engineering &IT
25 Social Sciences
31 Life Sciences & Biomedicine</p>

<p>Haha, and Duke is still placed in top 13? Seriously southerners…do your math right</p>

<p>Also, the JiaoTong ARWU is extremely suspect. For example, in the 2009 rankings:</p>

<p>University of Minnesota = #28
Northwestern University = #30
Duke = #31</p>

<p>UCSD is better than most of the private schools, even duke. They are low in rankings just because they are public schools. Break it down by department, which fields is Duke better than UCLA or even UCSD? Don’t even compare Berkeley to Duke. Berkeley is far above Duke in every aspects. Arts & Humanities, Natural Sciences, Engineering &IT, Social Sciences, Life Sciences & Biomedicine. Berkeley’s 38 majors out of 39 are in top 10.</p>

<p>Btw, Northwestern deserves that 31-32 spot. They are virtually unknown outside of US like duke anyway.</p>

<p>Yale should be behind Caltech and Chicago if it weren’t for USnews.</p>

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<p>Take a look at their methodology for ranking “areas of expertise”</p>

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<p>Any idiot can tell you how such rankings are greatly influenced by the size of the school. When you have a good gigantic public school, of course they are going to score well in these rankings. In the cutthroat world of academia, I can just imagine how many papers come out of Berkeley a year. However, if you take a look at the more objective “citations per paper” score you’ll see that Duke’s scores are almost always on par or better than those of Berkeley (at least for the three categories to which I have access). That means that Duke has quality scientists that do great research. It’s just not on the scale of Berkeley. </p>

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<p>UCSD is better based on what exactly? Saying that they are public schools mean nothing. Plenty of public schools are highly ranked, Berkeley for instance, Michigan, UWash, UTAustin. Being a public school isn’t an automatic handicap. </p>

<p>Also I would not say Berkeley is better than Duke in every aspect. Berkeley doesn’t have a med school, UCSD’s med is definitely not better than Duke. The only med school on par or better than Duke in Cali is UCSF.</p>