Early admissions rate are starting to show up

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<p>Let’s try to get back to the statistics part of the ED Class of 2019.</p>

<p>Here are a few more numbers listed at </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/early-admission-rates-for-class-of-2019/2014/12/18/67db5036-86c4-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html?tid=hpModule_99d5f542-86a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/early-admission-rates-for-class-of-2019/2014/12/18/67db5036-86c4-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html?tid=hpModule_99d5f542-86a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Brown University: 617 early decision admissions out of 3,043 applications, 20 percent. (Class of 2018: 9 percent.)</p>

<p>Dartmouth College: 483 early decision admissions out of 1,859 apps, 26 percent. (Class of 2018 rate: 12 percent.)</p>

<p>Duke University: 815 early decision admissions out of 3,180 apps, 26 percent. (Class of 2018: 11 percent.)</p>

<p>Georgetown University: 907 early action offers out of 6,840 apps, 13 percent. (Class of 2018: 17 percent.) Note: Georgetown is the rare school with a lower admission for the early round than for the overall cycle.</p>

<p>Harvard University: 977 early action offers, out of 5,919 apps, 17 percent. (Class of 2018: 6 percent)</p>

<p>Johns Hopkins University : 539 early decision admissions out of 1,865 apps, 29 percent. (Class of 2018: 15 percent). Note: JHU had a widely publicized e-mail misstep in which 294 students who had not been admitted were sent erroneous messages welcoming them to the class of 2019.</p>

<p>Massachusetts Institute of Technology: 625 early action offers, 10 percent admission rate. (Class of 2018: 8 percent.)</p>

<p>Northwestern University: “More than 1,000” early decision admissions out of 2,793 apps. Precise figures for acceptance rate not released. (Class of 2018: 13 percent.)</p>

<p>Princeton University: 767 early action offers out of 3,850 apps, 20 percent. (Class of 2018: 7 percent).</p>

<p>Stanford University: 743 early action offers out of 7,297 apps, 10 percent. (Class of 2018: 5 percent)</p>

<p>University of Pennsylvania: 1,316 early decision admissions out of 5,489 apps, 24 percent (Class of 2018: 10 percent.)</p>

<p>Williams College: 244 early decision admissions out of 593 apps, 41 percent. (Class of 2018 rate: 18 percent.)</p>

<p>Yale University: 753 early action offers. Estimated admission rate: 16 percent. (Class of 2018 rate: 6 percent.)</p>

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<p>@Hanna ‘That’s only of interest to adults who are looking at national trends, not to students coping with heartbreak.’</p>

<p>the student in question here @threegoodapps shows tremendous maturity and has made her case much stronger than yours regardless of your attempt to minimize her point of view just because she is a heartbroken student. In my eyes, I’m know who is the adult between @Hanna and @threegoodapps. The student was able to strongly state her case, strengthened by her personal experience without resorting to minimizing anyone else’s opinions. @threegoodapps, YOU GO GIRL, don’t let this snooty, high-brow ‘adult’ get you down. </p>

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<p>???</p>

<p>OK, anyway, keep in mind that the dynamics of EA schools outside the very top are very different from that of ED schools or the EA schools at the very top</p>

<p>The EA schools not at the very top are giving applicants a free option.<br>
ED schools know that their ED admits are coming while EA schools at the very top are confident that most of their admits are coming.</p>

<p>So while I’d expect ED schools (and the EA schools at the very top to a lesser extent) to just choose the best (and admit a higher percentage of early applicants than overall), I’d expect EA schools not at the very top to be more cautious with their offers and only admit candidates who are clearly above the average of their overall student body and also clearly demonstrate an interest in coming.</p>

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<p>^ anecdotally seeing this at NEU in the early round. A lot of deferrals. </p>

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<p>@someoldguy what I meant by “people whose opinions matter have heard of Williams” is it doesn’t matter whether Joe Shmoe in Podunk Nebraska knows or doesn’t know Williams. What matters is that grad schools, and HR/hiring mangers in most companies that care about education, will. </p>

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<p>What are the downsides to going to LACs? </p>

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<p>“What are the downsides to going to LACs?”</p>

<p>In my opinion, research opportunities (I know about the sciences, so can’t speak to whether research opportunities are available for non-scientists). A large public (U of M, Ohio State, U Wash, U Arizona, . . .) all have world class research going on (and, funded research). Bright students, of the kind who can get into Amherst, will have access to those research opportunities if they look for them, during the school year. </p>

<p>Students at the top LACs have to be more targeted in their interests (say, all those places have fMRI based human research), but many very good LACs won’t have access to that (though there are exceptions, through collaborations). Students at LACs can also use their summers for research, applying to summer research programs. </p>

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<p>^^ not having to follow a team at a NCAA bowl is one downside. However, there is plenty of upside if one sticks to an education targeting undergraduates. Real professors who value teaching might appeal to some.</p>

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<p>…and what research opportunities there are will be available to undergrads, no competition from grad students.</p>

<p>For some people the size is a downside, they tend to be small (800 to maybe 5K with 2-3000 seeming like the norm to me). Some kids don’t want to sit in small classes and be forced to interact, some classes may be offered only once per year, not every semester, dining options will be limited compared to a large U, often students can (must) live on campus all 4 years…</p>

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<p>Other possible drawbacks of LAC’s:</p>

<p>Also variety and frequency of courses, especially in the less subscribed majors, but also outside your major. I have a friend who thought the nutrition class he took at his Big State U was both interesting and useful, even though he didn’t major in nutrition. You almost certainly won’t find that class at a LAC.</p>

<p>Lack of pre-professional majors for the most part at most LACs, for folks interested in that.</p>

<p>Lesser awareness among certain segments of the population. For instance, even though Williams offers a CS major, many employers (while understanding that you must have passed through some pretty rigorous screens to get in to Williams) may have no clue about how good the instruction in CS is there.</p>

<p>They’re smaller than universities and you will see everyone in your college often. Some people love that; some people do not.</p>

<p>Mind you, I’m partial to them, but there are pro’s and con’s. Good thing is that you can easily Google them up.</p>

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<p>Fit is important. Not all LACs are created equal nor are all research universities. Princeton is not ASU or USC, and neither is Amherst much like Mt Holyoke or Reed. </p>

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<p>Interesting patterns in early admissions, xiggi. Thanks for finding the data.</p>

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<p>“Re recruitment: some poster wrote that Harvard goes Goldman Sachs and Williams goes to J.P. Morgan. .”</p>

<p>How depressing on both ends – that such great colleges / universities are reduced to “can they place into places that make a lot of money.” Blech. </p>

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<p>“What are the downsides to going to LACs?”</p>

<p>I have twins, one at a top LAC, the other at a top research university. In my mind, the downside of the LAC is the smallness and the fact that there is more of a uniform campus culture, whereas at a larger school there are multiple different “tribes” for one to move across / find one’s own tribe. </p>

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<p>Universities often have graduate student teaching assistants. The professor lectures but the TA (or TF) leads discussions, grades and has more interaction with students. This is true in many Ivy League classes, in fact. that doesn’t necessarily mean a lesser experience but it is something to keep in mind.</p>

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<p>Thank you all for your kind advice.</p>

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<p>So if Mr. Xiggi’s numbers are correct–and I am sure they are!–to what reason or reasons do we see a pretty significant spike in the acceptance rates of ED applicants? Is it schools trying to preserve their yields? Tired of getting jacked around by talented kids applying to 15 schools?</p>

<p>Thoughts?</p>

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<p>I’m not convinced the guys in the weight room at the gym have heard of Williams, though the students at our high school have. They could, however, name all the colleges with good football or basketball teams. :disappointed: </p>

<p>Does any one know what MIT’s 9% EA acceptance rate translates into as a percent of the class size? I know that when my oldest applied they were committed to only accepting 15% of the future class. Those who were deferred into the regular round still had better odds than the regular applicants. (About 25% acceptance rate for deferred students that year.)</p>

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<p>Note the spike might not be there. The WaPo data compares this year early rate to last year blended overall rate. </p>

<p>MIT tends to admit between 1400 and 1600 students. Hard to tell what the admitted class will be in May. The last two years of EA have now been on the low side with just above 600 admits. </p>

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<p>Despite being the poster who referenced the Harvard/Goldman, Williams/Morgan connection, I’d hypothesize at least a slight tendency for lac students as believing in the intrinsic value of education versus uni students favoring an instrumental and vocational approach to education. </p>

<p>On my sons’s visit to Williams, I think he was most impressed by the info session’s and tour’s emphasis on the quality of the education above all else. </p>