<p>Cornell is like a safety school for most good NYers students lol. It's still a good school, but the lack of selectivity in NY usually makes it a second choice here.</p>
<p>truazn898532, which justifies my point
Every school has a different personality</p>
<p>I wouldn't make Cornell my safety school because although it does accept 3,000+ students......the amount of applicants sky rockets to 30,000+ so Ya Tu Sabe</p>
<p>"so whther you're are correct or not doesn't matter"</p>
<p>-This represents everything that's wrong with the world today: not enough fact and truth... too much 'truthiness'.</p>
<p>kk, Sometimes common sense is all it takes to know the truth. Seeking facts are just a waste of time</p>
<p>Its common sense to know that you failed a chemistry test because you didn't study rather than going to the teacher and asking why you failed</p>
<p>I said is was "like" a safety school - it's about a 40% acceptance rate for NY residents for some of the schools. And most people don't set it as their dream school here.</p>
<p>I'm pretty confident about this...
if an NY stater and an out-of-stater with the same stats applied to a state sponsored college of Cornell, the NY Stater will have more of a chance to get in. Of course this is not a given, but a general statement.
This is widely considered throughout NY State among college counselors, teachers, and students. </p>
<p>That is not, by any means, to say that Cornell is an easy college to get in to. </p>
<p>There has always been a lot of confusion as to Cornell's status as a private school because of the state-granted colleges. From what I gather through the website, people I know who have gone there, teachers, and guidance counselors, Cornell is ultimately a private university. No matter which college you graduate from, your diploma will be considered one from a private university.
HOWEVER, for admissions and tuition purposes, those colleges that are state sponsored function in methods similar to other state schools---lower tuition for in state residents, more instate than outofstate students admitted etc.</p>
<p>I'm a Cornell grad and it's Cornell ... and it'a mostly just a numbers thing.</p>
<p>Assume the 10,000 top students in the US applied to both Cornell and Dartmouth and both schools are going to pick their entire freshman class from these 10,000 applicants.</p>
<p>Dartmouth will accept about 1000 of the applicants for an acceptance rate of 10%.</p>
<p>Cornell will accept about 3000 of the applicants for an acceptance rate of 30% ... and having dipped further into the 10,000 applicants the average SAT ang average GPA will probably be slightly lower also.</p>
<p>A bigger school needs to accept more students. While at the same time the number of applicants to each school will tend to be much more even than the actual class size of the schools. (Top students will apply to both Dartmouth and Cornell irregardless of the class size of the freshman class ... there will be differences because od the differing offerings, locations, etc ... but the overall applcation pool will be more similar in size than the acceptance pool ... and this quirk "favors" a smaller school)</p>
<p>"kk, Sometimes common sense is all it takes to know the truth. Seeking facts are just a waste of time"</p>
<p>How can seeking facts be a "waste of time"? There is only one truth; the truth is not relative. The sad thing is that people like to use <em>believes</em> and <em>truth</em> interchangeably, as if what they believe is somehow 'true' simply because it makes sense to them. Like I said, I believe this represents everything that's wrong in the world today.</p>
<p>"Assume the 10,000 top students in the US applied to both Cornell and Dartmouth and both schools are going to pick their entire freshman class from these 10,000 applicants.</p>
<p>Dartmouth will accept about 1000 of the applicants for an acceptance rate of 10%.</p>
<p>Cornell will accept about 3000 of the applicants for an acceptance rate of 30% ... and having dipped further into the 10,000 applicants the average SAT ang average GPA will probably be slightly lower also."</p>
<p>While I understand what you're saying, I think you incorrectly assume that there is a "tier" of students. That is, the person at the "top" will actually be WANTED by both Cornell and Dartmouth. For what you're saying to be true, then both schools would both have to WANT and seek to ADMIT the same students. This is usually not the case. That is, while Dartmouth may admit person number 100, Cornell very well may reject that same person, thus, for him it was more "difficult" to get into Cornell than Dartmouth. This is why difficulty of admission changes from person to person. </p>
<p>Yet again, Harvard is larger than Dartmouth, are you saying it's 'easier' to get into Harvard than Dartmouth?</p>
<p>milki: If Cornell's contract colleges are not state or public schools, why are they listed on the SUNY website as SUNY campuses?</p>
<p>Cornell and Penn are easier to get into than other ivies because they are bigger schools. Think about it, a large amount of people apply to the same schools in the Northeast. If Cornell accepted only the people that HYP accepted they would lose out on a lot of the yeild battles, so they have to take more people than others. </p>
<p>On a side note, I think if you are a woman applying to the engineering school in Cornell, all you need is a good GPA and an ok sat scores, like 650 or so in math, english and subject tests, because they are really trying to make a push to get more women in that school, at least that's what I gathered when I visited.</p>
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While I understand what you're saying, I think you incorrectly assume that there is a "tier" of students. That is, the person at the "top" will actually be WANTED by both Cornell and Dartmouth. For what you're saying to be true, then both schools would both have to WANT and seek to ADMIT the same students. This is usually not the case. That is, while Dartmouth may admit person number 100, Cornell very well may reject that same person, thus, for him it was more "difficult" to get into Cornell than Dartmouth. This is why difficulty of admission changes from person to person.
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Looking at the big picture the number of applicants to the top tier universities is much more similar than not. Looking at any individual applicant they will make different decisions ... looking at engineering students they will make different decisions ... etc. But, ultimately all those things tend to cancel each other out ... in the end similar numbers of top students apply to the top schools ... and very different numbers of students are accepted.</p>
<p>"But, ultimately all those things tend to cancel each other out"</p>
<p>-?</p>
<p>"in the end similar numbers of top students apply to the top schools ... and very different numbers of students are accepted.'</p>
<p>-True, but still, the same people who have a great shot at getting into Cornell Architecture are NOT the same people who have a great shot getting into, say, Wharton.... I don't care how great your stats are, if you are no good at art your chances of getting into Cornell Architecture are pretty small. This is why saying one UNIVERSITY is 'easier' to get into than another is so sweeping that it's absurd. It is absolutely necessary to look at in on a person-by-person and program-by-program basis.</p>
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the same people who have a great shot at getting into Cornell Architecture are NOT the same people who have a great shot getting into, say, Wharton
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Agreed ... for one specific person their odds of getting into specific schools may be very different than the average odds for that school and may be very different at one school versus another school</p>
<p>WHO CARES? you guys are all losers who debate about stupid things like this, go get a freakin life. go get laid seriously</p>
<p>what an enlightening response.</p>
<p>On topic, I know a guy from my school who got rejected from Cornell Engineering and got accepted to Yale, UPenn, and Columbia. It's about the PROGRAM people, don't look at the overall university's statistics. Cornell engineering is better than those three other schools' programs, and thusly more competitive surmounting even the fact that it accepts more than three times as many students.</p>
<p>luckydivot, thats what i've been accentuating all this time. Who cares how many seats. Its all about personailty && fit</p>
<p>kk1913--</p>
<p>Let me ask you something. What do you think will happen if Cornell decided to go after the top tiered applicants only, those that would have a great shot at HYP? Sure Cornell's admit rate would drop like a rock, but I bet yield will fall below 10%. In fact, if you look at a Princeton article from 2 years ago, Princeton's yield drop was explained by the Adcom that they decided to go after students that were of a higher caliber (i.e. those that will be admitted at H&Y). And that's Princeton for crying out loud.</p>
<p>What does that have to do with anything?</p>
<p>"What does that have to do with anything?"</p>
<p>I think he's responding to this asinine quote!→ ↓ </p>
<p>"True, but still, the same people who have a great shot at getting into Cornell Architecture are NOT the same people who have a great shot getting into, say, Wharton.... I don't care how great your stats are, if you are no good at art your chances of getting into Cornell Architecture are pretty small. This is why saying one UNIVERSITY is 'easier' to get into than another is so sweeping that it's absurd. It is absolutely necessary to look at in on a person-by-person and program-by-program basis."</p>
<p>[[[[Now let me dissect what you said]]]]</p>
<p>"True, but still, the same people who have a great shot at getting into Cornell Architecture are NOT the same people who have a great shot getting into, say, Wharton</p>
<p>♣ why would they apply to wharton anyway if they're major is architecture?</p>
<p>"This is why saying one UNIVERSITY is 'easier' to get into than another is so sweeping that it's absurd."</p>
<p>♣ Its not absurd, There are some schools that are just easier in general...Have you ever heard that you don't have to put a specific major on some colleges, You can decide on that once youu get in?? (((ding dong))) so in that case they will select you overall.</p>