<p>Flavian - i agree! I'd stand no chance at even a half-ass engineering school. The social sciences are just my thing.</p>
<p>others have already pointed out the problems with looking at things this way, but at least so you know what you're looking at, this is it from "easiest" to "hardest"</p>
<p>going by pure admit rates (the most recent data)</p>
<p>penn (nursing)
cornell (overall--no breakdown provided)
penn (engineering)
columbia (SEAS)
penn (A & S)
dartmouth
penn (wharton)
brown
princeton
columbia (college)
yale
harvard</p>
<p>going by the 2003 data, and weighting 1/3 to admit rate, 1/3 to SAT, and 1/3 to % students in the top decile of their class (as the Atlantic Monthly did in their rankings)</p>
<p>cornell (ranked 21 in selectivity overall)
dartmouth (15)
brown (9)
penn (8)
columbia (7)
harvard (5)
yale (4)
princeton (2)</p>
<p>this is getting so confusing! I think it'd just be easier to say "they're all extremely difficult to get into"</p>
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going by the 2003 data, and weighting 1/3 to admit rate, 1/3 to SAT, and 1/3 to % students in the top decile of their class (as the Atlantic Monthly did in their rankings)</p>
<p>cornell (ranked 21 in selectivity overall)
dartmouth (15)
brown (9)
penn (8)
columbia (7)
harvard (5)
yale (4)
princeton (2)
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<p>v. interesting...</p>
<p>what does the full list (or top 20) look like?</p>
<p>By individual categories:</p>
<p>Admit Rate: ('04 data for all lists - AS USED BY USNEWS)
1. Yale (10%)
2. Harvard (11)
3. Columbia (13)
3. Princeton (13)
5. Brown (17)
6. Dartmouth (19)
7. Penn (21)
8. Cornell (29)</p>
<p>By % in Top Decile
1. Harvard 96
2. Yale 95
3. Penn 94
3. Princeton 94
5. Brown 90
6. Dartmouth 88
7. Columbia 86
8. Cornell 85</p>
<p>By 75th percentile SAT
1. Harvard 1580
2. Princeton 1560
2. Yale 1560
4. Dartmouth 1550
5. Columbia 1540
6. Brown 1520
7. Penn 1500
8. Cornell 1490</p>
<p>By 25th percentile SAT
1. Harvard 1400
1. Yale 1400
3. Princeton 1370
4. Dartmouth 1360
5. Columbia 1330
5. Penn 1330
7. Brown 1310
8. Cornell 1290</p>
<p>You can figure out the averages.
For schools like Penn, Cornell and Columbia, its more complicated because individual schools within have different stats.</p>
<p>does anyone have the Atlantic Montly Ranking?</p>
<p>Slipper,</p>
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...all the ivies have different priorities so its not an exact science. Engineering might accept 38%, but these are often high scorers although probably lacking in ECs and perhaps with lower GPAs. ...That's why its difficult to say which is "harder" among similar level schools, they all have their own institutional self interests.
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<p>You're absolutely right that the whole process is more nuanced than a single statistic. That's why these "ranking" exercises are pretty pointless.</p>
<p>As an aside, I think you'll find upon further examination that the accepted pool at Cornell enigineering have comprable EC's and GPA's to CAS.</p>
<p>Wharf</p>
<p>Maybe you're right. To further illustrate my point look at the above post and notice how high Dartmouth's SAT #s are, they are neck and neck with Princeton while Penn is close to the bottom. But when it comes to class rank, Dartmouth ranks #6 while Penn ties princeton. My bet is this also has something to do with the size of the schools and in what areas they are willing to sacrificetheir stats to get the students they want.</p>
<p>slipper, ur like 5 years out of college and ur still arguing about the selectivity of undergrad schools, it is pretty funny. We all welcome your enthusiasm but I mean, dude, i hope when i am your age, i am not arguing about this stuff anymore. I am already nauseated by it, but its fun to talk on these boards.</p>
<p>Actually 2 years out of college, but I care about this stuff as an interviewer and someone who worked in admissions and might like to do it again. I was pretty active in helping shape my school when I was there, and I hope to continue to do so. Plus its fun to help people, as someone who made a big mistake in choosing my first school I have seen how much going to a college with the "right fit" matters. And its a great procrastination tool.</p>
<p>i agree on that...procrastination (can't finish my paper)</p>
<p>d circle, Cornell arts/sciences has an admit rate at 21 percent and its sat range of ENROLLED students last year was 1330-1500.</p>
<p>it depends on the school you come from, and the type of stats that you have, some of the ivy's are more numbers driven and others look inot talent, it is hard to just list them</p>
<p>the take home message really is that they are all quite competitive, particularly now (the 2004 U.S. News has old data from 2003--all of the ivies have since had lower acceptance rates--HYP all below 10%, CB below 15%, DCP slightly over or below 20%)</p>
<p>these rates are going to continue to drop across the board for the next 2-3 years because of the population increase in those age brackets. after that, the rates are expected to increase again actually but it will still be very competitive.</p>