@Penn95: I report. You decide.
Just giving you the sentiment from old-school UChicago people.
@Penn95: I report. You decide.
Just giving you the sentiment from old-school UChicago people.
I was only talking about Oxford⊠:-*
The Times prestige ranking takes the whole school into account (undergrad, grad, PhD).
For undergrad prestige, Chicago is top-8 in the US, still lofty, according to most people. In fact, itâs ranked 3rd, tied with Yale, by the premier undergrad ranking (Princeton is #1 and Harvard is #2 at the undergrad level).
But you shouldnât be using hair-splitting research-related prestige rankings to decide where to get your Bachelorâs degree. Decide whether you prefer the breadth of a US liberal arts education or the more focused (on major) UK style.
And⊠Chicago vs. Oxford, the cities.
Oh right. And the old UChicago view was just of the Ivies. I believe they would have respected Oxbridge (who value pure academic prowess more than the Ivies) more.
Oxford and UChicago could not be more different. Go to Oxford for a top preprofessional education that puts the entire (pitiful little) island nation and former EU member at your feet Go to UChicago to become an educated person first and foremost with a strong focus on economics and with a promising in to one of the top three business schools in the world.
@Chrchill: Management is a pre-professional discipline, but traditional Oxbridge was pretty darn far from pre-professional. They trained scholars and specialists in specific academic fields.
(Also please edit your post because the grammar is such that I canât quite make out what you are trying to say.)
@PurpleTitan IF you read my above post carefully â and with the intended tongue in cheek-- it would actually be quite coherent, even to you.
On a more serious note, Brexit will have a devastating effect on Oxbridge. While their prominence will remain, their graduates will not be as mobile in the EU as they are now.
Perhaps the single most important factor in your decision is where you hope to work after undergrad - students who study in the US have a 2-year âOptional Practical Training Programâ scheme which allows them to work in the US for up to 2 years after undergrad. This gives you time to apply for your H1B Visa (though i wouldnât pin my hopes on that). AFAIK there is no equivalent scheme in the UK.
Lastly, U Chicagoâs networks in the US are much stronger than Oxfordâs and vice versa in the UK.
Well, there is a lot of fluff & feathers in some of these postsâŠ
OP, an undergrad degree from UChicago is not going to help you get a work permit in the US. Unless you (literally) win the visa lottery you wonât be working in the US until you have some extra expertise. So, that is not a reason to pick the US.
I donât know where you heard this, but it is simply not true. All of the big names recruit at all of the Ivies- and a bunch of the other highly selective colleges and universities as well. Take another look at your information sources. The big financial companies recruit heavily at Oxford as well. You can get paid summer jobs in London at Goldman etal which turn into actual jobs when you graduate.
The UK does indeed have a scheme for people to stay on after they graduate (though of course that may change). The 2-year OPT scheme is only for STEM students (not economists), though all students on an F-1 visa can apply for a 12 month OPT scheme.
@Jamrock411, the OP has a place for Economics + Management, not Economics + Physics.
@collegemom3717, but the OP may (at least in theory) double major in econ and physics at the U of C (obviously not possible at Oxford).
âThe UK does indeed have a scheme for people to stay on after they graduate (though of course that may change). The 2-year OPT scheme is only for STEM students (not economists), though all students on an F-1 visa can apply for a 12 month OPT scheme.â
That was abolished some years ago. Currently students can transfer to a work visa if they qualify, but I donât think itâs particularlyeasy. Thereâs some useful info on the LSE website: http://www.lse.ac.uk/intranet/students/ISVAT/currentStudents/Workingafteryourstudies.aspx
Post-Brexit, who knows how rules will change?
Speaking of GPA, I would say I am more worried about graduate programs than employers. A lot of courses have either definite minimum GPA requirements (3.5 for many programs), while for others it is reflected in the class profiles, where average GPA typically varies around 3.7.
This is actually the path I am massively considering now to go forward with, since anyhow I am planning to obtain a Masterâs degree/MBA (depending on my educational and ocupational interests) in the U.S. after completion of my undergraduate education.
The opportunity to double major, or just the generally greater flexibility in terms of course choice is one of the primary reasons which actually attracted me to American education, since in my opinion Oxford lacks broadness. Despite education in such distant areas might not be especially useful for any particular job, I hope to move on to a private enterprise in manufacturing/technological industry after I will have earned enough to be able to start my own business (and sunk costs in these industries are typically high), or to a managing position in a technology-related business, and I believe that deeper understanding of nature of things is beneficial for a manager, and is going to allow me to evaluate practical decisions and direct new developments in a more acknowledged way.
I would say I am currently more attracted to the U.S. (despite such perception might be wrong, since I have never been exposed to the country for more than four weeks), but I also understand that if one wants to fit in, one has to be able to offer America something valuable and rewardable.
However, I am also a bit surprised that you say that Oxford is a better place if Iâm unsure about what I want to do professionally. I always thought that Liberal Arts education offers greater flexibility?
I loved the idea of the Core, and I would have chosen Oxford over any other university in the world if it offered a similar option for its students. Unfortunately, it does not.
Would it be a suitale suggestion to make that an undergraduate degree from Oxford + a graduate degree from a top U.S. school (e.g. UChicago, MIT, Stanford or Harvard) would increase my chances of getting a job in the U.S.?