<p>Anyone out there who applied ED to Cornell have regrets about doing it.
This is for those who got in and those that were denied</p>
<p>Not a single regret!</p>
<p>no it made my life 10000x easier + i love the school i applied to</p>
<p>No, I applied ED because Cornell is where I want to go, not because I thought it would increase my chances of getting into an Ivy.
And I am so, so glad that I don’t have to wait until April to find out whether I got in!</p>
<p>no one should have any regrets, accepted or denied, never good to look back</p>
<p>well maybe one regret, that I wish I had a crystal ball so I could have known if I would have gotten in anywhere else jk</p>
<p>^lol same. I think i could have made columbia ED but i really don’t like their core and the city feel.</p>
<p>@op, having some regret is normal. Maybe some of those accepted through early decision to Cornell could have gotten in at some other universities, maybe Columbia or other ivys, MIT etc. However, if you went regular decision, you may not have been accepted to Cornell or any other ivy. Regret is normal. I know that when regular decisions come out, some of us may even hear about lower stat / lower ecs getting into a University such as Princeton. Choosing Princeton over Cornell, probably true for most if us. However, giving up an ed chance to have a crap shoot at some others, I would not do it.<br>
My cousin, who wanted and probably could have made it in to H/P said she would never have given up her ed chance into Dartmouth (she was admitted ed last year) just to have that shot into Harvard or Princeton - even though she wanted those schools over Dartmouth. ED to Cornell takes away the chance at places like HYP, still it ends the process and the stress.
I know the feeling and it is normal.
Don’t have any regrets. You will do fine. Cornell is a great place and a great choice.</p>
<p>Uhm, I would never pick columbia over cornell. Probably princeton though. Seriously if you don’t think so highly of cornell then don’t come here. Cornell is no lesser than any of the non-HYP ivies just because it’s easier to get in holistically. Some of the schools by themselves especially the privates are actually harder, if you care so much about selectivity and “keeping the unworthy out”. Come to the school because Cornell can offer what you want and it’s where you want to be.</p>
<p>Antiflamer makes the point. Be happy with your choice!</p>
<p>Just to make a point:
a lot of my super smart and talented friends would die right now to get into cornell. Really, be happy with what you have. It’s not as easy as you think especially come RD time, just because you got in yourself via ED, as cdhs said in another thread. In real life, people worship you for getting in.</p>
<p>To be fair, employers do know that getting into cornell is not as hard as say harvard :). But in the end when you come out shining with a 4.0 GPA they would not think any lesser of you than a 4.0 Harvard grad. Cornell is tough and everybody knows that. It will beat the woman out of you by the time you graduate. If you get in and you are not qualified, you’ll fall to the bottom of the pool, and really when you get into a top school, you have to do well for it to really help you. In high school terms, it’s like taking AP courses and getting Cs. Can’t handle it? Transfer to brown and take a load of pass/fails and see what employers think</p>
<p>wow, thanks for that antiflamer.
it just kinda sucks when I hear people talking about getting a 4.0 which is so hard to get anywhere, cornell or any other university. what I mean is that the kids from HYPS probably are not so worried about their GPA as they have the HYPS label and that in my opinion, even though it sucks, means that they probably get far more respect with a 3.4 or even less than the 4.0 from cornell. I think a lot of the reason people want HYPS is because once you are in grades are easier and even if they are not easier, they don’t mean as much as say the grades from cornell or dartmouth because they have that label that says they went to HYPS. my opinion here…<br>
what do you think?</p>
<p>Where do you hear that kind of talk? Other forums in CC lol? If it was like that I would not have considered Cornell at all.</p>
<p>The reality is that a 3.4 in HYPS is not comparable to 4.0 in Cornell. Ask any employer and they’ll tell you that. A 4.0 in Cornell is even more respected than a 4.0 in those schools because of the sheer difficulty of getting it. I do think a 3.0 in Cornell is slightly less regarded than a 3.0 in HYPS though.</p>
<p>I don’t know what you are getting at but you seem to have a lot of assumptions and stereotypes about cornell. By the way, a HYPS label does not suck, not even close. In my mind, HYPSM is at the top and medium/large size ivies second, small ivies last but do you think brown students are less regarded than columbia students? i think not. Employers know that people pick by choice. In the end it all comes down to your self-presentation and your grades/ school reinforce the type of person you are. Cornell academics truly inspires awe – its difficulty is known worldwide. Hence “easiest to get into, hardest to come out of/graduate from”.</p>
<p>If you come to cornell thinking that you are going to strive for just a 3.4 here, I don’t think you are prepared to handle the workload and truly be a “top student”.</p>
<p>No, the HYPS label does not suck at all. What I meant is that it is so valued, that it seems to make their GPA less important than a gpa at cornell. that is what I am getting at.
I always thought that having that HYPS label was so powerful that GPA became much less important - and that is what I think sucks. The students that go to HYPS seem only to have to say where they went and doors in this world open up just because of that. I don’t think anyone would disagree. The only point here is that at cornell, where gpa is difficult, it seems so much more important than the grades you get at say HYPS because of their name, and in addition, they probably have easier grading - at least according to the posts here at cc. maybe not as easy as say brown where everything can be taken without a grade and no one can fail a class, but still easier than say cornell.
it just seems that people that go to hyps only have to say they went there and everyone is like wow that is amazing. whenever there is an HYPS grad talking about something on the news, they only say something like he or she is a Yale graduate. that does not seem to happen for cornell or dartmouth
so you say that a 4.0 from cornell is better than a 3.4 from HYPS. I don’t think it is correct, but I hope you are right about what you say.
thanks for the feedback on my post.</p>
<p>England why did you ED to Cornell thinking that. I sincerely hope you are being ignorant right now because all top employers look at GPA first and they know the strength of particular majors in the school. The only employers that only look at the name of your graduating school are ones that are perhaps in other countries, and even then just saying “ivy” would probably get you in, no joke. But in reality, do you think some trash in princeton getting a 2.0 would have a good job with the name of the school alone? Employers are not stupid. They know unqualified kids get in via urm, athletics, parents’ influence, stuff like that (not saying all of them are unqualified). They know how difficult a school is, and they judge you based on how well you do. There is no merit in getting into a top school and flunking. They want people that can do the job right, or else why would they pay them to do their “Jobs” anyways if they do the job badly have poor work ethics?
i.e., Harvard grad with 4.0 cannot ever beat Cornell grad with 4.0 in engineering.</p>
<p>say a wrestling champion gets in princeton and takes econ major or something but does badly. Do you think goldman sachs would take him/her knowing that they would spend so much resources for one employee? No, they are paying for what you are worth. The last person they want is a useless kid that leeched off their parents’ money and donations to get into college. The parents can probably land the kid a job with their influence, but i doubt the kid would manage to find one by him/herself.</p>
<p>The biggest dealmaker/breaker in any job is self presentation. imo a lot of cornell undergrads have to work on that, especially in engineering.</p>
<p>antiflamer - yes, I see. I was not talking about a 2.0 from princeton. however, in this world I do believe that a 3.4 from princeton (all other things being equal) may get the job over the 3.8 from cornell. I know you disagree, however, I think, and i say this very kindly, that you are underestimating the power in this world of the HYPS name and seem to believe that everyone knows that cornell is hard so everyone knows that and therefore getting a high gpa at cornell is some kind of magic that will open doors and win out over a 3.4 (or even lower) from HYPS. i’m not so sure
antiflamer, if what you are saying is true about HYPS name not being so important and gpa at cornell being the most important, how can it be explained why cornell almost never gets the cross admitted applicant who got into HYPS and cornell. there is an article about this in the Cornell on line newspaper. if the name was not so important, why are there so few that would go to cornell over HYPS - if you could answer that
if you have any insight on this, please share it
and please know that I consider Cornell to be an excellent school indeed. however, the power of the HYPS names in the world is huge.
I do welcome your comments on this and thank you for your insight.</p>
<p>@antiflamer, about your comment that a cornell 4.0 beats out a harvard 4.0 for engineering, I so hope is right. but i believe that in this world it is not correct - a 3.4 from HYPS (other things equal) actually beats out the cornell 4.0 - in my most humble opinion
where we disagree is that I think the HYPS name is so powerful that by itself it opens doors. it may not get the job, but it certainly is an edge that, in my humble opinion, offsets a lower gpa vs the cornell or dartmouth kid with a significantly higher gpa.
if what you say about cornell is true, I can’t understand why cornell does usually not get the applicant admitted to HYP and cornell. there has to be a reason for that and it is the power of the HYP name.
it has been like that and probably will always be like that because of the power of the HYPS names</p>
<p>Cornell: location, rural, known for housing suicidal students and producing suicidal students/ social reputation of the school (even though it’s quite overblown)
cornell’s reputation for being “easiest ivy to get into” - super achievers/prestige hos don’t want to get lumped in with admits that got in with poorer scores esp. via land grant schools / miscellaneous, non-traditionally ivy sounding schools like hotel school and agriculture
HYPS name just shines even more so than Cornell’s
more financial aid
more economic/political connections in HYPS with of the most influencial people (even though cornell has a large bunch as well)
people don’t want to work harder for the same gpa (Cornell ugrads need to work a lot harder for a 3.6 for a 3.6 in those schools)</p>
<p>People who get into cornell may be among the best (NWtern, UWash, UMich, williams, chicago, berkeley, non-wharton penn + basically non hyp ivies – they generally choose cornell from this bunch) but not the best of the best (HYPSM, wharton). But when you graduate with a shining academic record, you have shown that you truly are the best of the best and employers recognize that.</p>
<p>trust me if you get a 4.0 in cornell employers will be grabbing for your butt and even that’s an understatement. GPA, academic record, and self presentation separates those people who found a “backdoor way in” to these schools from those who are genuinely qualified</p>
<p>England it sounds like you applied to cornell just thinking that ED makes this the easiest ivy and didn’t really think this out, having misconceptions that cornell students are disadvantaged on a whim and only worrying about this now. You are truly lucky to have gotten in with such misconceptions and you should really reconsider your attitude. Only ED Cornell if it’s truly your first choice and where you want to be.</p>
<p>Oh, and when you say that you think Harvard engineering beats Cornell’s in any means, it means you haven’t done your research. Harvard engineering sucks and engineering employers know that Cornell’s engineering beats harvard’s by far even though it’s probably less selective, aside from possibly international ignoramuses. Cornell engineering is known to be the best engineering school among all the ivies.</p>
<p>This site is pretty funny but it shows you how things only matter across majors:
<a href=“http://mitfml.com/2010/01/14/i-am-an-engineering-student-at-harvard/[/url]”>http://mitfml.com/2010/01/14/i-am-an-engineering-student-at-harvard/</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/344235-cornell-engineering-harvard-engineering.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/344235-cornell-engineering-harvard-engineering.html</a></p>
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<p>Getting near 4.0 isn’t that hard if you go to schools like Arizona State or Florida State, and major in Sociology.</p>
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<p>This is incorrect. 1) Grad schools - including top law schools, med schools, etc, don’t care what undergraduate school you attended. 2) Employers - as long as you attend a top 20-25ish school, they don’t care which school you attend within that range of schools. You need a certain GPA threshold in order to even land an interview. Good luck landing an interview for I-banking position from Goldman Sachs with a 3.0 GPA from Harvard.</p>
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<p>As long as you attend a good enough of a school, and attain a GPA over the ideal cutoff line specified by each employer, the rest of your fate depends on 1) your interviewing/ social skills 2) resume 3) ability to sell yourself 4) intern/work experience.</p>
<p>Attending a great school and getting a good GPA will help you land interviews. However, it won’t automatically land you an elite job. An elite company would hire a 3.5 from Cornell over 3.5 from Princeton, if that Cornell guy does better at selling himself during the interview.</p>
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<p>I know one guy from MIT (he went to my high school) who has 3.8 GPA. He got multiple interviews from top banks. Yet, he didn’t get a single offer. You can be the smartest guy in the world, yet if you don’t have the personality/ social skills/ relevant experience that an employer is looking for, you won’t get the job.</p>