<p>Congratulations Yulsie and Son. Hope you make it all the way to the top!!</p>
<p>Nothing in mail, but just checked email and my D. was notified she's a finalist!!</p>
<p>Any stats from finalists?</p>
<p>Yeah. I got mine in the mail today. Cool.</p>
<p>Stats: 1550/800/800/790/ 4.0
Really well rounded I guess: research, volunteer, music, poetry, academic stuff.
3 research projects, 500+ volunteering hrs, state & national awards
recs are stellar "top 3 my whole career stuff"</p>
<p>completely useless post here.... just thought i'd say I'm glad to be british.... your education system is nuts!
A 4 year british honours degree is the equivalent of an american undergrad degree + a masters (cause we don't do a range of subjects, we specialise straight away, hence majority people over here don't do masters etc unless going into academia)... and the whole 4 year degree at any of the oldest 3 (oxford, cambridge, st andrews) costs JUST LESS! than ONE YEAR at emory!!! (and that's including 4 years rent and food in a college or hall!)
and thats without bursaries or benefits or grants or anything. :-O</p>
<p>Having a more left wing government isn't a bad thing!</p>
<p>Except that our educational system has produced the most successful companies, economy, and open society in histroy, not to mention some of the brightest minds in academia. Keep in mind, Emory's operating expenditures are more than double those of Oxford (about 2.214 Billion Dollars v. 445 Million British Pounds). Don't come on our board and talk about something you know nothing about. Get some facts before you make accusations.</p>
<p>wow, i was just making a post about how tough it is that you gotta pay so much for a good education, and to get these scholarships to afford it and so forth.</p>
<p>i wasn't attacking the quality of your system, simply the fact that it costs so much, whereas in the UK the government pays to educate it's population. Browsing these boards for a while now they seem to be characterised by aggressive posts like your one... it's quite sad for a board related to higher education!</p>
<p>So bearing in mind that i wasn't having a go at you, I'm still going to point out that what you said is rather odd... your society is not the most open in history... you have much less freedom of the press to most western countries, you have much less tolerance of some political views. But I'm not going to open up that can of worms.</p>
<p>Your economy isn't doing great, your government is running up the biggest deficit practically in memory! A worrying number of americans live below the poverty line. The best economy and companies in history?!? It's like your sport. You're not the only country to play baseball yet it's called the world series! </p>
<p>And the operating expenditures are a meaningless comparison. Your country makes far more in taxes and sends a lot less percentage of the population to university, so if our government can subsidise us then yours could too if that was where it's priorities lay.
And anyway, Oxford and Cambridge are educations on a par with Ivy League schools, with some of the best facilities in the world. Are you trying to say that because Emory spends more money that means it's better? You spend much more money on research (often in the most financially rewarding fields) which is why it costs so much more, but in a lot of cases that doesn't equate to better lecturers or a betterd education!</p>
<p>But that's beside the point. The point is that I was commenting it's sad when financial considerations take over from educational considerations. Wouldn't it be nice if you could go to uni whereever you could get in academically and not worry about the cost?</p>
<p>It's also sad when you can't contribute to a board with a sympathetic post without someone jumping on it in a strange way and spraying off a load of confrontational nonsense.</p>
<p>:::Applause for Flash33!!:::</p>
<p>flash i sent you a private message thingy. this isnt the place to have this discussion. sorry about that everyone. congrats to those of you who are finalists :o)</p>
<p>uh it should definitly have been : o )</p>
<p>flash33 - you go, dude! US political climate absolutely sucks these days. Just remember, some of us are among the 59 million who wanted W out (and some of us, not mentioning any names, were quite rabid about it, too, and thinking about maybe blowing this pop stand for good).</p>
<p>S is admitted to Oxford, but would will have to come up with big bucks should he attend - zero aid, international tuition 11,300 for Uni +4500 pounds for the college. Only saving grace would be 3 years versus 4, still a very impressive hunk of change. Where did you apply, and where are your offers? Accepted any yet?</p>
<p>flash--you'll have to excuse some of the defensiveness on these boards. I think people try to rationalize their decisions in various ways. Everyone has set their own criteria for what is worth what cost. I agree with you. I've got four to put through school.</p>
<p>hey, I am just completing a honours degree at St Andrews, and am going to Emory for one year next year. It's a strange arrangement, but I'm in and fortunately it's all paid for. When I applied for undergrad degrees I only applied to St Andrews as it had the best rated maths dept. in the country with Cambridge second. Plus Prince William was attending in my year, so I knew there'd be a 65% 35% ratio girls to guys :-P
If you can afford Oxford it's definately worth it, although by all accounts is a unusual college experience!</p>
<p>And I think some misunderstood british coversational style/humour (not humor!!!) contributed to the prev. discussion... all good now.</p>
<p>If a student is an Emory Scholar and receives the full tuition plus room and board, does anyone know how Emory treats outside scholarships? Do they allow you to 'stack' them for books, etc. and do they refund overage amounts?</p>
<p>The reaction of rejected Emory Scholars semi-finalists is at once predictable and amazing. The apparent feeling of entitlement by some semi-finalists based upon a few "stats" is striking. No one is "entitled" to a scholarship for $80,000 to $160,000 from a top rated university!</p>
<p>The Scholar program is basically a means for Emory to buy some upgrades. They are trying to lock up some of the very best students in the country - students for whom Emory would normally be a safety school. They are also trying to shore up their resume as a "national" elite university as opposed to one of the best in the southeast, or the Harvard of the South, or whatever. Filling those gaps means various things beyond academic excellence, including very special acheivements, talents and diversity. They explained their process in advance and followed through on it - undoubtedly with many close and subjective calls on selectees. Bottom line, I think that when Emory is throwing around the kind of money that is involved here, they are entitled to their choices, and probably have some well defined objectives. </p>
<p>The above being said, I would probably recommend that Emory rethink their evaluation and notification process. They somehow took 400 extraordinary (and highly competitive) students who a few weeks ago all felt very special and positive about Emory, and then made 230 of them angry with the final cut -- probably alienating quite a few. Early RD acceptance is a small positive, but frankly most of the 400 finalists were probably slam-dunks for admission anyway and assumed so. This whole thing was about merit scholarship money not admission. To make a specific recommendation, I would have to have more insight into the yield of the Emory Scholars offers -- maybe it's worth ****ing off 230 -- though that is hard to imagine.</p>
<p>Make no mistake, this was a brutal, ivy league caliber competition, well beyond the normal Emory admit. All semi-finalists were undoubtedly exceptional.</p>
<p>As a parent, I find the reactions heartbreaking. It certainly doesn't feel special to be a semi-finalist one day, and get a "scholarship notification" email that says you haven't been selected a few weeks later. Yes, Emory is entitled to select students for the money in any fashion they choose. They must also accept that the method in which they do so can, and does, turn off potential students. </p>
<p>The whole nature of the college admissions process is so squirrelly. We are all trying to make sense of something that is not cut and dried. What is that quote? "Rule number one: there are no rules." For students who want a more holistic approach to the application process, a smaller school would be better in that area. </p>
<p>I am sorry for those of you who did not receive the scholarship, and I hope there are other money offers on your table by the end of the month. This is the absolute worst time of year--the few weeks up to the final decisions. Hang in there.</p>
<p>I am wondering if Emory knows what it's doing in the process. It probably feels that the semi finalists and finalists view Emory as a safety school and in general, would be unlikely to attend it. Perhaps Emory's selection process, painful though it is to those semifinalists who don't get selected, ends up attracting more of the high end students than would occur without the process. While the semifinalists who end up with nothing probably choose to go elsewhere, more of the finalists may accept Emory's offer than would occur if the process were done in a different manner.</p>
<p>I think you are right about the emails - that must have been unpleasant to see the subject line and then be told "no." Perhaps it would have been better to say nothing, but maybe they were thinking that 325 people would call them in person after a few days. </p>
<p>They may well have some "well-defined objectives" (from sinsam's post above), for example, S got an invitation to join a new program for scientific research run by the Chemistry department. Sounds really cool (if you can handle Chemistry, it makes me want to hide under the comforter and suck my thumb, but S really enjoys it, no accounting for taste) - five courses over the first year with the second semester consisting of participation with older undergrads, grads, post-docs, and professors in ongoing research, preparing the students to apply for summer research internships on (it said (?)) their own projects. The last paragraph stated: "This program is the fast track to scientific leadership." What a great sentence - it would make any science weenie sit up and take notice.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>To make a specific recommendation, I would have to have more insight into the yield of the Emory Scholars offers -- maybe it's worth ****ing off 230 -- though that is hard to imagine.<< Those are my thoughts on the situation also; my student was rejected far more eloquently from other institutions from their elite scholarships and each of them are still in his serious consideration, but they did leave themselves the option of offering less than full-ride scholarships. His opinion of Emory unfortunately is shaped by that rejection letter. He was fairly offended be the wording/means of delivery of his rejection by Emory from Scholars. Perhaps the fact that Emory has most of its scholarships tied in to Scholars is the problem for them.</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Speaking of the chemistry letter, it came with the rejection, yet the first word was "Congratulations" so when I openned it up I thought for half a second that the e-mail was wrong.</p>