Emory v Rice v UT-Austin Deans Scholar (pre-med)

<p>D was accepted at Emory (15K/yr scholarship), Rice (no scholarships) and UT Deans Scholar Honors Program (2K/yr scholarship). She will likely major in Biology, and follow a pre-med track. Her plans are to go on for an MD or MD/PhD.</p>

<p>We don't qualify for any financial aid, so taking into account the National Merit scholarship, the net COA is ~47K (Rice), ~36K (Emory) and ~20K (UT-Austin). </p>

<p>Any thoughts on how these stack up for undergraduate education, given D's intention to go to medical school? Thanks for your input.</p>

<p>From everything I have read, people have told me to follow the money. If you are well off and aren’t worried about debt, go with Rice. </p>

<p>Check each schools grading policies, if there is deflation or inflation etc. All three schools are amazing, therefore you shouldn’t worry about getting a proper education. </p>

<p>Once again, if you aren’t wealthy follow the money.</p>

<p>Choosing Rice over Emory if Emory is $11,000 cheaper doesn’t make sense since they are very comparable schools. The real choice, I think, is between Emory or UT-Austin. Emory will provide a very personalized experience, the professors are very accessible, and the class sizes are really small (especially compared to UT-Austin). If you ask me, the extra $16,000 for Emory is well worth it.</p>

<p>Rice is great for pre-med students, IMO its a little better than Emory.</p>

<p>UT-Austin sucks for pre-meds.</p>

<p>I’d go to Emory, because its cheaper and a comparable school to rice academically. </p>

<p>Pre-Meds at Rice have a 80-90 percent chance at medical school. Pre-Meds from Emory with a 3.5+ gpa and a 30+mcat score stand a 80-90 percent chance at medical school. </p>

<p>UT-Austin is not great for pre-meds, nor is the environment there good for any student. Plus a school like Emory is worth the extra 16K a year.</p>

<p>I know A LOT about all 3 schools because I am from Texas, and I go to Emory. AND I AM PRE-MED. hahaaha.</p>

<p>I choose Emory over UT-Austin and Texas A&M in a heartbeat. </p>

<p>From my experience, Emory’s reputation is well known in Texas medical schools. I did research at some medical schools over the past summer (UTMB-Houston/UTMB-Galveston) and from all the P.I.'s, Lab Directors, and some Deans of admissions that I met, they all have heard great things about Emory. Some even went as far as to say “we will expect more out of you, because you are going to Emory.” Just my 2 cents.</p>

<p>Thanks for the feedback.</p>

<p>From what I understand, UT-Austin Dean’s Scholar Honors is very selective, has small classes, good UG research opportunities and a very high success rate for med school applicants - in other words, it is similar to a small private college. UT-Austin per se would not have been in the same mix as Rice and Emory.</p>

<p>^^^ No i agree, Deans Scholars at UT is great, but normal UT is not that great.</p>

<p>My son chose a double major (chemE and Dean’s Scholars chemistry) at UT Austin over Rice (as well as Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Washington U in St. Louis, Vanderbilt and a number of other top schools). This major is a good background for the energy industry, for a PhD program or for med school, and my son is undecided about his career path so it gives him flexibility. I asked about med school admissions for Dean’s Scholars students. ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF THE DEAN’S SCHOLARS PROGRAM DID NOT GET INTO MED SCHOOL and she applied again the next year and got in. They said that they would not accept you into the program unless they thought you were capable of getting into med school. </p>

<p>The Dean’s Scholars Honors Program in Natural Sciences “offers individualized faculty advising, special honors classes, hands-on research training and experience, and many networking and leadership opportunities.” The DS classes are smaller than regular UT classes, the demographics and test scores are totally different from the rest of the UT Austin student body (as is the case with engineering), it’s easy to get research (it fact it is mandatory freshman year). Comparing the students at DS to the students he met at Ivy admit days, my son felt that DS’ers were just as bright but had not developed extracurricular interests to the extent the Ivy admits did, although an unusually large percentage of them did play a string instrument. This is of course in part related to family incomes skewed toward the high end at the Ivies which allows families to pay for lessons and hobbies and travel that others might not be able to afford; about half of the class at Ivies is from a wealthy background. In contrast, at UT Austin there is a less affluent student body and my son feels that his middle class background is quite acceptable. No one really cares how wealthy or poor his parents are or what sort of clothes he wears or whether or not he has a nice car or any car at all. Rice, like the Ivies, has a more affluent student body, and for some people this is a positive attribute. Both of my sons enjoyed admitted students’ day at Rice, but they felt that the school is geared (as are most of the Ivies) toward sending students on to grad school, and my sons wanted the option to enter the workforce after four years in college. (The engineering degree really helps with this goal, and a number of this year’s graduating UT Austin engineering students will have a six figure starting salary, including my older son.) Both sons were concerned about the very open alcohol consumption and drug use they observed in the short time they were on the Rice campus; they felt that the problem is no worse at UT Austin than at Rice. Of course with the urban location in the heart of downtown Austin and a live music venue on every corner open all hours of the night, UT Austin has a terrible reputation for heavy drinking. Fortunately a lot of the students stagger back to campus on foot since you don’t need a car in Austin! Just be sure to sign up for the honors dorms if you want to be isolated from the heavy partiers.</p>

<p>Other pros for DS: UT Austin runs incredibly smoothly. I have been amazed at the personal attention I received for any complaints I have made. Austin is a great city. The campus sits is on the top of a hill, particularly the engineering and science buildings and honors quad and there is often a stiff breeze so the air is cleaner than in a lot of big cities. The airport is close if you need to fly elsewhere to get home or to interview for a job or scholarship. There is coach bus service each weekend to San Antonio, Dallas and the northwest side of Houston. You can get around campus on foot or by bicycle and around Austin with your bus pass so you don’t need a car. The area west of the city is lovely, with lots of hills. My sons have explored this area with the running club and the biking club. Because UT Austin is a huge university there are lots of ways to contribute and to participate in club sports and university bands, orchestras and ensembles. Students with a 4.0 average are considered for positions as university tutors, which is a great job. UT Austin is very highly ranked in certain fields, primarily just about anything in engineering and business, and this will help you find a good job. If you are willing to work hard enough to double major in engineering and science you have the opportunity to receive $11,000 a year in scholarships from engineering and DS plus possibly more through Texas Exes and outside scholarships. A lot of DS’ers are double majors, often with Plan II Honors. The engineering scholarship was a huge plus for us. My older son was able to pay for his education entirely through engineering scholarships, outside scholarships, his summer earnings ($1,000 a week) and his income from the position as a university tutor (working 30-35 hours a week), and my younger son hopes to do the same. This is an incredible opportunity since UT Austin is very highly ranked in my sons’ majors: the chemical engineering department is ranked #5 in the nation and chemistry is ranked #12. Most of the universities that rank higher are very expensive.</p>

<p>Honors programs at top publics are really good, and I’m glad you laid that out. I suppose top private schools are popular because nearly every student attending can easily get that experience merely because of the smaller size. Essentially: Student body size vs. opportunity ratio. Needless to say, at places like Emory, there are lots of easily accessed opportunities for undergraduates, especially those interested in the health sciences. The professors are very accessible. You don’t have to give one class of students “special courses”, when nearly everyone interested is in theory able to handle the rigor of such a course. Not even Emory Scholars, for example, are treated specially with regard to course availability (though they get first dibs on enrollment). In this case, I would follow money. If Emory is affordable, I’d consider it. We have some tough pre-med courses, but like most other private schools, there’s a nice little inflation (though not as high as some/many Ivies). If you want this, I doubt you’d get it at UT. One issue with grading at any southern top school is that many of the pre-med science classes will essentially be set at an upcurve at most a B-(2.7). I’m sure some gen. bio and orgo. sections at Emory for example aren’t even this high. Many other top schools (most those not in the south) set most pre-med courses at B(3.0ish), and only tough classes like orgo. have B-. Here, most gen. chem, intro. phys., gen. bio (some are 2.5ish), and orgo. sections(some are also 2.5-2.6ish) will not hit 3.0. I don’t know how Rice curves, but Vandy and Emory seem to curve science courses like this, so unlike most of our peers, some courses will have like a C+ average. This is abnormal for top private schools. Luckily for pre-meds, most humanities/social science GER requirements are grade inflated. So if they slip up in one of these science classes, they can buffer it. If you were to look at the average grades given per course at Cornell (this is apparently on the internet somewhere), I believe the lowest seen is a B-. Not the case here.</p>

<p>Random:People have to have a 4.0 to get tutor positions? Wow! That’s intense, because like us and Rice, they’re pretty tough. We don’t even require that. I think they want those who did well (generally A-/A) in a course to tutor it. Then again, most people don’t have a 4.0 here (especially those in sciences). Some are close, but no cigar.</p>

<p>To clarify, bernie12, UT Learning Center in fact requires that a student have a B average in order to apply for tutoring positions. However I understand that they prefer to hire the student with an A in the subject tutored and they take first students who have an A in a number of classes, because those students will be able to tutor more subjects. Therefore an engineering student with a 4.0 should be able to tutor four subjects starting sophomore year (calculus, chemistry, biology and physics) and will likely be accepted if he chooses to apply. My older son was told that that this is why he was chosen as a tutor after freshman year. He is a chemical engineering major (business minor) and he actually had a 4.0 for his first three semesters. There are also a number of other tutoring opportunities on campus that pay less per hour than this one does and those may have different standards for hiring tutors. In case potential UT Austin students are interested, the pay for this position starts at $11 per hour, and a commitment to work a minimum of ten hours per week is required. My son has found tutoring to be a very rewarding experience.</p>

<p>Yeah, I do it for organic chemistry (both formally and free-lance). Turns out I like teaching/helping people. I guess it’s abnormal for students here to tutor several classes (no more than two), not because of grades, but because it starts sophomore year, where most science majors will have a significantly heavier workload (I mean courseload, most Emory classes are exam based, you have to do supplemental problems on your own), but that sounds good to me. Glad your son is experiencing the same enjoyment over there at UT. The learning/aid resources at top public schools are pretty darned good. If it is anything like what they have over at Tech (they get recitation, a television channel/show that will work problems in physics, calc, and chem, I think, and freshres tutoring, etc.), it’s amazing. However, I imagine, many at tough public schools either don’t know about it, or overestimate themselves, and fall through the cracks. It’s really unfortunate. I know it happens here to a certain degree, where many wait until the end of the semester to use the resources because they were either “too ashamed” to before or felt as if they could not be helped. But by then, it’s too late as their grade has diminished significantly. Admittedly, I was stupid and fell into the latter category for physics last year, but it ended alright. After experiencing that, I don’t think anyone should have to put themselves through that/in that position, so I try helping when I have time.</p>