<p>What is with people complaining about the b school rankings. The idea of a b school is stupid in the first place and most everyone who is there gets a job anyway.</p>
<p>You have to realize that everyone gets the same jobs coming out of b school. So unless you go to Wharton, it doesn’t really matter as long as you are in the upper echelon of b schools. Which emory is. Undergrad at least.</p>
<p>As for relating emory vs vandy, you are an idiot if you think employers or grad schools are going to be like "He went to emory. Let’s take the vandy guy Instead ". I’d say vandy has more school pride. But it’s unfair to say we have none.</p>
<p>Geez I’m so bored. </p>
<p>While I don’t think emory will be top 15 in the rankings until we have division 1 sports, I don’t think that we are dropping below 25. </p>
<p>The professors are just too good. Ad atlanta has too many opportunities.</p>
<p>Thank you for your support kaukauna. I too am a student at Emory and I do not want to see my investment disappear so I want Emory to remain as competitive as possible. However with an inefficent administration that cares little about its public image, I doubt Emory would remain a top 20 school. </p>
<p>Aluminum, I can get a job without a college degree mate. So your comment that “everyone gets a job” is irrelevant. What is important is how companies see the b school. They will decrease their hiring at Goizeuta if Emory does not improve. Like kaukauna said, “if you are not moving up” you will fall behind since all the top 20 schools are doing their best to improve. </p>
<p>Just as Rome fell, so too would Emory.</p>
<p>aluminum_boat: Why can’t Emory be as good as Wharton? That ought to be what they are aiming for. Remember my point about moving ahead or moving back. Sure, b school grads get jobs now, but are they really the same as Wharton et. al. and will they continue to be there? Probably, but its something that needs to be worried over constantly. </p>
<p>I agree with you on the point about rankings. Too much is made of them. But they are not worthless. They do provide some good feedback to interested parties.</p>
<p>Emory b school job placement is nothing like Wharton. </p>
<p>You know the kind of jobs I was referring to. And you cannot get those without a college degree. </p>
<p>If you go to the emory b school, you will have a 60k job when you graduate. Whether you keep it after 3 years is a different story. </p>
<p>The fact is that you can get a job at pwc and Deloitte and whatever. Even Goldman recruits there occasionally. But no b school except Wharton and stern consistently throw people into McKinsey and Bain and other mbb and whatever.</p>
<p>What I’m trying to say is that we are currently a 15-25 school. I don’t see us falling out of that range. You shouldn’t think Georgetown is necessary worse than us and vandy is necessarily better becuase of rankings.</p>
<p>exactly kaukauna,</p>
<p>Why do Emory keep think “we will never be as good as Wharton?” so we can just forget about it. </p>
<p>With that mindset, I take back my point that Emory will remain in the top 40s. With that mindset, Emory will no doubt become irrelevant as the administration believes that they can never be the best. </p>
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<p>And Aluminum, you must be on the pay roll of the 5 cent army of President Wagner to even suggest that just because I hold different views I must be an idiot. </p>
<p>Ask yourself this Aluminum, WHY IS EMORY ON PAR WITH VANDY? What does Vandy have that Emory doesn’t? NOTHING! Emory has more resources than Vandy but is still ON THE SAME level as Vandy? That is pathetic. PERIOD.</p>
<p>National exposure due to sports. There’s your answer.</p>
<p>Admitting you are not on the same level as Wharton is not something to be ashamed of. Geez, man. </p>
<p>Have you been in the USA before coming here? Do you understand the difference between Wharton and the rest of the country?</p>
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<p>That is it?</p>
<p>And please explain how does sports improve a school’s medical program? </p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong but…Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Northwestern, UChicago, or most of the Top 20 schools are also not known for sports.</p>
<p>The only top 20 schools known for sports that I can think of in 10 seconds are Duke, Notre Dame, and Stanford.</p>
<p>Does Vandy have the CDC a few feet away? Does Vandy have the businesses of Atlanta? Is Vandy known as the “Coke School?” </p>
<p>Heck, even Emory isn’t known as the “Coke School” anymore. Even Coca Cola has given up on Emory. Coca Cola is increasing its support to GEORGIA TECH LOL! And GT doesn’t even have a good business school. </p>
<p>Keep on denying reality until it’s too late mate!</p>
<p>Northwestern has amazing sports. The rest of them are ivy league. They have a history of prestige and don’t need national exposure. </p>
<p>Sports give exposure. Exposure makes prestige easier. </p>
<p>Wustl and Chicago are the only exceptions to what I said.</p>
<p>I think you are getting quality mixed up with ranking when it comes to med school.</p>
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<p>That is it?</p>
<p>And please explain how does sports improve a school’s medical program? </p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong but…Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Northwestern, UChicago, or most of the Top 20 schools are also not known for sports.</p>
<p>The only top 20 schools known for sports that I can think of in 10 seconds are Duke, Notre Dame, and Stanford.</p>
<p>Does Vandy have the CDC a few feet away? Does Vandy have the businesses of Atlanta? Is Vandy known as the “Coke School?” </p>
<p>Heck, even Emory isn’t known as the “Coke School” anymore. Even Coca Cola has given up on Emory. Coca Cola is increasing its support to GEORGIA TECH LOL! And GT doesn’t even have a good business school. </p>
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<p>Have you heard of the fall of Rome? </p>
<p>How did UChicago get to #4? By saying “We will never be that good because Emory was here before us?” </p>
<p>You think Wharton is not under any pressure? You have NYU, Harvard, UChicago, basically every school except Emory trying to dethrone it as the top business school.</p>
<p>Stop making excuses for Emory’s failure. </p>
<p>Since you are so into sports, let’s talk about the NBA? You think the Pacers could hold the Heat to 6 games by saying “we can’t beat the Heat because they have James, Wade, Allen, and Bosh?”</p>
<p>Everyone out there is trying to be the best except Emory.</p>
<p>Keep on denying reality until it’s too late mate!</p>
<p>Sports give exposure, but sometimes not so good. Have you read the news at Vandy this week?
On the other end, how about Caltech, MIT, Carnegie Mellon?
And Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore and the rest of the top LAC’s?</p>
<p>Aluminum: If you don’t mind sharing: are you a student at Emory?</p>
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<p>You want to rephrase that mate?</p>
<p>I had no idea, absolutely NO IDEA schools such as Alabama, LSU, and Oklahoma are sooooo prestigious in America…</p>
<p>NO IDEA…</p>
<p>Kaukauna- the schools you listed are tech schools. You can’t expect schools who specialize in engineering and computers to have sports. </p>
<p>Lac’s are different too. I havent looked at the rankings in forever but i dont think they are on the usnwr. Kinda unfair to complain about rankings and then measure against lac’s. </p>
<p>Harvard doesn’t offer a bba. So not sure what you are trying to say. Wharton does feel pressure but that doesn’t change the fact that a bba from there is leagues ahead of anywhere else. </p>
<p>And the Pacers this year were completely different than last year. So were the heat. Wade was hurt. Allen played like crap. Bosh played and was ineffective. Etc.</p>
<p>No. I don’t want to rephrase that. Maybe emory 's English department should be ranked lower. Because you haven’t learned it too well.</p>
<p>Georgia Tech has almost always had the support of Coke. Just sayin…you been over there and seen the name of the buildings? We are no longer considered the Coca Cola School because of a lot of the donations and funding come from elsewhere (like the campaign monies. A slipping school doesn’t raise 1.6 plus in campaign monies during a recession. You just can’t do that). Also, GT does have a good business school at the graduate level (I don’t what people think about UG). It’s management school is actually quite successful (they help people go into more tech oriented sectors normally). I don’t know if your ranking obsessed mind will understand it, but this is the case. Also, Georgia Tech is an Excellent institution in general. It deserves to get funding from major donors and philanthropists in Ga. as much as emory does. </p>
<p>Also, those other schools you mention have been Research 1 Universities for quite a bit longer than Emory. Emory essentially just got there compared many such places. The fact that any rankings (as sketchy as they are) can be even close to some of those places within 20-25 years (that’s how long it has been) is actually quite remarkable. It’s called growing pains, there is nothing pathetic about it. In addition, the research rank of the med. school is referring to funding. Given our competition (with some of them being those giant, renowned public school medical centers like UCLA, anything in the top 30 isn’t bad. Most of the med. school is funded by the NIH, so I would imagines that it is probably a matter of how much grant apps. they get). Does Vanderbilt have a poet Laureate, people like Salman Rushdie, is it one of the elite schools participating in things like the Tibet-Science Initiative (which we basically invented by the way). Has it become a place known for its scene in lit. and writing (this fact has been well-publicized), does it have a BBA program (which does indeed rank very high compared with most places that have BBAs, including older ones, and ones whose program is all 4 years), no (it does have an engineering school, but it doesn’t compare as favorably w/other engineering schools as our BBA program compares w/BBAs). The two schools are completely different and offer different things. They draw a different crowd in general (I mean, look at the difference in demographics). </p>
<p>One will likely not get a higher quality of education at near peers like Vandy. It isn’t better. It may be better for certain people, if they want the sports or it has a program we don’t offer (likewise, if you want a BBA or undergraduate nursing program, a top English program, etc, and care more about certain other strong academic offerings, you may choose Emory), but it or the near peers are not better overall. The difference in app. numbers is due to recognition in sports and successful marketing on the part of certain peer institutions. </p>
<p>Again, your analysis is too simplistic. “You” are obsessed with the rankings, not everyone. People at places like Cornell, which are well-ranked but have not really moved, seem fine. Aside from this, it seems clear that you don’t get how rankings work. You can be in a solid city and that’s not going to effect the ranking. For some prestige driven professions like business, it is indeed advantageous to be anywhere north of the southeast (because that’s where the really large firms are. It’s why Stern and Wharton are insane). Also, I’m sure that the size of the medical center served by the med. school has some sort of influence on med. school rankings. For example, many of the large public School medical centers beat private schools in primary care (UNC Chapel Hill is an example). It’s impressive that many private schools rank that high in primary care when many of the students they get go on to specialize. So at least the institution cares. Also 29 is impressive because very recently, it was in the 40s (as in like 2 years ago, Emory primary care was in the 40s and some/many of the peer private schools were as well or in some nearby 30). This certainly doesn’t support the idea of the place slipping.</p>
<p>UChicago is great, but I don’t think it deserves to be ahead of some of those other places. The rankings are not really reliable anymore in my opinion. In fact, I’m willing to bet that UChicago probably is surprised (though elated) that it is there. You are indeed very confused. I don’t think places like Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Columbia are freaking out on finding ways to be “better” than Chicago. Many of these places likely believe (or know) that they are already better. They aren’t going to jump through hoops just to improve their rank. They will just continue to do what is necessary to be an excellent institution and continue to improve the experience for the students and faculty there. A mature person would want Emory to take such an approach. You would want it to do its best to strive for excellence and leverage its resources for our and the faculty’s sake, not the rankings sake. Often catering to the rankings leads to superficial improvements (this was Emory’s problem in my opinion). Now the place should just pursue excellence the best way it can irregardless of the rankings and hope that whatever it does works. Hopefully, just as it did for the very elite schools, the ranking will follow. This notion that the very elite schools got there because they literally had the other schools in mind is really silly. They did no such thing. They merely leveraged their resources, got their administration in line, and often took risks to become leaders in education. Many of them also immediately grew very robust graduate environments before, then, refocusing on UG education (the Chicago and JHU model is known for this). Emory is not the “fall of Rome” (Rome, seriously, rome…?), it just needs to find its pathway to success and make a unique contribution to highered. This is more important than rankings and means that the institution has to be more “bold” outside of the arena of building better facilities (the mistake of many 15-25 schools seems to be that they think they can merely build a “better” or prettier school without changing educational paradigms and suddenly become world renowned).
And I think this argument is essentially done, because you keep using this idea that “that rank is too low for its location” (and as for business school rank vs. location, it helps to understand that the health of Atlanta’s economy is not good. Also the place is known for manufacturing jobs). This just says that you are rank obsessed and are not satisfied with the rank (as in, you are presenting your , not that the school is slipping. You have provided very poor arguments constantly saying that “because the schools are alike and Emory isn’t beating them and has more money, it’s slipping”. This sounds kind of stupid (The UC system, especially Berkeley has tons of money, and its struggling financially, but is still clearly excellent). They are, in general, poor and childish ways to make arguments. They lack historical perspective and nuance that would be expected from a college student. This mainly sounds like you throwing a tantrum because you are rankings obsessed; rankings that you clearly don’t understand if you think being in Atlanta should just result in a high rank for everything. What great naivete. In addition, not knowing things that Coke has always been involved with GT and not knowing that GT is actually deserving of investment also lowers your credibility.</p>
<p>I’m going to call ■■■■■.</p>