<p>With 2 kids who graduated from UCs adn one applying for med school I would say to become a KS resident again before applying got med school and apply to KS in state not CA med schools- you will have a much better chance of admissions</p>
<p>BTW, it is possible to be a resident of no state for tuition purposes. Because I moved states, my DD could have ended up a resident of no state if she had not very carefully checked all the requirements before acting. Each and every state is different and has little idiosyncracies</p>
<p>I’m not sure if California is like this, but here in Washington small, podunk towns tend to have very low rent compared to the big cities. If CA is the same way it is concievable that the OP could get a job and rent an apartment or room for not too much.</p>
<p>Looking at Craigslist, I see some 1 bedroom apartments for $535/$575/$550 in “Redding”, wherever that is.</p>
<p>That’s exactly my point, I’m tired of the mediocre performance of schools here in Kansas. I want competition, not someplace where I’m nearly one hundred percent guaranteed of getting accepted and my parents are leaving the country. So, I can either risk staying here and loose every chance of going to school or move to California and have somewhere to live and go to school at. Plus if all else fails I can move back and get In-State tuition. It takes 60 months to no longer be a Kansas Resident. If I don’t make it in California, then I will move back but until all options are exhausted I’ll give it a try. </p>
<p>And No, I don’t know if you can even be a no state resident, LOL that sound absurd. In the end we are pretty much separate countries calling ourselves one. Well at least in my view. I can’t go to a college and get an education wherever I please without being turned away. But I will make it. At least I hope so and attend the college I plan on. I got a second plan so I’ll be fine.</p>
<p>here is where redding is located, about 250 miles from the closest UC
<a href=“Yahoo Search - Web Search”>Yahoo Search - Web Search;
<p>Redding, California is a nice place. It’s 600 miles from Whittier, though, so the commute would be a tad inconvenient.</p>
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<p>But couldn’t he get a job in some town with cheap rent, support himself with a job for a year or two (assuming there are jobs to be had–something for the OP to look into!), then claim residency and move to a school town? If they approved his residency, couldn’t he at that point move in with his aunt with no further issues?</p>
<p>He could do that, Naturally… if he could find a place with cheap rent where he could find a job. Redding, with its 15% unemployment rate, might not be a good choice.</p>
<p>Hey, OP. What commenters are trying to say is that all of the schools you’ve mentioned in CA that you would like to attend have rules that allow for a lot of discretion on their part in determining residency. What they may not being saying is that for the most part, schools use that discretion to say “NO”. Right now, the entire California higher education system (like the rest of California) is in a huge budget crisis. The way that schools are responding to this crisis is to reduce seats, decrease admission, and deny students for a variety of reasons. For example, state schools have gotten permission to make the geographical area where they accept students from feeder schools smaller, and they can deny students just for not living close enough to the CSU they’re applying to – because students living geographically closer get first priority. The entire system is huge, very beaurocratic, and all about <em>denying</em> students. So, any time you read something and think, “Well, surely they wouldn’t make an issue out of that” or “Surely no one is going to deny me based on X, Y, or Z” – you’re misunderstanding the system. In fact, that’s *exactly what they’re going to do – find any excuse to deny you. </p>
<p>You will not be able to hide your previous out of state status. Because the state system keeps track of high school students and what they take, because you have to submit your HS transcripts, you’ll be flagged in the system as having been out of state in the past. And that means, you and your records <em>will</em> be subject to scrutiny. Yes, there are actually people at the community college level and the UC/CSU level who literally sift through apps, and demand additional information. This may seem ridiculous to you, “Who would really care?” but it’s very serious business in California. When I say serious business, I mean, things like seeing your bank statements, check stubs, lease agreements, bills, cancelled checks, etc. And at any point, if anything looked suspicious, that would be it. </p>
<p>And because of that, even if you did all the things you think would work, at the end of two years, it’s entirely likely that you would be denied residency for this or that reason, and then you’d be in California without having met your goals. You wouldn’t have any recourse, no appeal, because the schools get to make their own decisions. </p>
<p>All of this may seem unreasonable or unfair. It may be. Because every student in the state system is subsidized, they see each body in a seat as an expenditure. So they’re reducing expenditures in every way possible – fair or unfair, cruel or not. The local news is full of stories of local students being denied admission for this or that, of students who have been promised that if they completed the California A-G admission requirements in high school with a particular GPA, or attended this or that community college and took the courses agreed upon, they’d have admittance. Now, some of them aren’t getting what they were promised. It’s an angry, sad, frustrating time. Folks are not being mean or whatever you think – they’re trying to help you understand that your plan won’t work, because in the end, schools get to decide, and right now, they’re saying NO to everyone.</p>
<p>BTW, to the OP, one thing no one mentioned, in addition to the other good advice that you received from well informed parents above, is the likelihood that tuition in California will increase for in state due to the financial crisis. Years back, California tuition was virtually, if not literally free to in state residents - not so anymore. When everyone tells you that the goal is to eliminate free riders, you should not think your special circumstances are more special than anyone else’s. Thirty five years ago, what you plan might have been doable. Today, iffy at best.</p>
<p>Why not give it a try, I’d rather risk something then go to a mediocre school and lose a valuable education. AND by the way, I don’t want to just apply to UC’s or CSU’s, I’ll be applying to a veriaty of schools all over the country. The reason I’m moving is because that’s the best option I have of staying afloat in this country. If they rule me to be a non-resident of California, the so be it. I have a back up plan and that is to come back to my state, or apply to private schools. My state does not negate the residency of a person even if they try to become a resident in another for 5 years. That’s plenty of time that I will have. If you don’t take risks in life you wont get anywhere. Also, I’m really making a huge risk due to plan b which is pretty much solid. Maybe by the time I come back, if I do, my parents might have resolved theirs issues and life will return to normal. Then I can return to California and attend Grad schools or other private universities around the country.</p>
<p>jc09jr, as long as you are takign action with your eyes wide open and understand the consequences - go for it. Parents here just wanted to make sure you understood what you were taking on. Good luck.</p>
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<p>I’m having trouble figuring out what the special circumstances are. “I’m from out of state but want to pay in-state tuition” is not a special circumstance; that’s the normal circumstance.</p>
<p>I also wonder why the OP can’t get a good education at the University of Kansas. Sure, it might be easy to get in KU (not <em>that</em> easy, though)… but is it easy to graduate with grades good enough to go to med school? I doubt it; I imagine it’s challenging enough.</p>
<p>What’s so hard about getting into the accept 97% of their applicants. The school is mostly known for it’s partying and not for academics. The MED schools is not even in the top 100 rankings. Amagine that and when you say you see no special circumstances, would you mind reading please? I said my parents are leaving to MEXICO, out of the country so I’m trying to establish residency in California where I will have somewhere to live and not be out in the street like I’ll be if I stay here.</p>
<p>Thanks singersmom07 for at least giving me support as to wishing me luck in my attempts.</p>
<p>“my parents are leaving to MEXICO, out of the country so I’m trying to establish residency in California where I will have somewhere to live and not be out in the street like I’ll be if I stay here.”</p>
<p>This is the key. Your parents are leaving the country, and you don’t want to stay in Kansas entirely on your own. You have an aunt you can live with in California. GO to California. Get a job there, and go to school part time for a while. Don’t spend so much time worrying about how to become a California resident, or how soon you can get in-state tuition. Concentrate on taking care of yourself and learning to live semi-independently while your parents sort out their lives. </p>
<p>If you continue to be serious about studying medicine, I think that you should investigate the 5 and 6 year medical programs in Mexico and Costa Rica. If your Spanish skills are up to it, this might be a quicker route to an M.D. You can come back to the US for your medical residency. Lots of US citizens who are fluent in Spanish do this. </p>
<p>Wishing you all the best.</p>
<p>I can’t find verification that University of Kansas accepts 97% of applicants. The Princeton Review book says 77% are accepted. And it’s no cakewalk once you get in-- a bit less than 60% graduate in six years.</p>
<p>I continue not to understand your special circumstances. You are a resident of Kansas. Your parents are planning to move. Since this is a not uncommon circumstance for parents whose child has just graduated from high school, public universities stipulate that when a child has grown up in a state and graduated from high school there, he remains a resident even if his parents move. You can continue to be a Kansas resident if you go to a Kansas public college. I see no special circumstances.</p>
<p>I understand that you would prefer to pay instate tuition to a California school, but you need to understand that we Californians don’t want to charge instate tuition to students who are not California residents.</p>
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<p>This is the part I’m having trouble with. Wouldn’t learning to be independent mean not following the aunt to CA with a half baked plan and looking at the bird in hand?</p>
<p>I’m not sure why the OP feels he would be out on the street. Many 18 year olds live independently of their families. He lives in a low cost of living state and should be able to easily rent a cheap room, work and attend a CC. He could then apply to 4 year state colleges this fall which should be affordable with aid and loans and live at the school.</p>
<p>No one has asked this young man’s stats. We have no way of knowing if going to a private college that meets needs will ever be possible. Or if getting into a UC would. We all know that despite the fact that his state school has a high acceptance rate, a kid who wants to can get an excellent education. </p>
<p>And most importantly, what we do know is that gaining CA residency is unlikely. We know jobs are hard to find in Socal now, especially for a newcomer. We know he’ll have to pay OOS tuition this year.</p>
<p>How does any of this make sense?</p>
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<p>Finally someone who understands, and yes that would be a good idea of going to Mexico and obtaining my education, but I am not at all familiar with the FinAID given to students in Mexico so that would be an even bigger risk. By the way, my Spanish skills are far greater than English and I can say for sure that I am at least above average in English since my test scores prove it. I score nearly in the 90th percentile in the Kansas State Assessments if that matters.</p>
<p>Yeah you are right, I should worry less on how to become a resident and more on just getting myself through it. What people don’t get is that while KU allows me to pay instate tuition they hardly ever meet the Full Need of students. I would have to take out loans which I don’t even know if I will receive. I’d rather take out loans for a school which is better overall and I know I’ll be doing better in. After all, it’s all about investment. People don’t invest in crappy houses so why should I invest in crappy education.</p>
<p>As for Cardinal Fang who denies the acceptance rate: [College</a> Search - University of Kansas - KU - Admission](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)
While it’s not 97% its 92% far more then you mentioned. </p>
<p>Who ever said Cost of Living in Kansas is less? While a few years back that might have been true, that is no longer the case. An apartment runs for about $900+/month no bills included and food cost are not cheap either. Yeah I remember when you could get a 3 bedroom apt. for $4-500/month and even with utilities included but those days are long gone. Maybe that’s why Johnson County, where I attend school, is the 3rd richest county in the entire US. They certainly didn’t get rich by charging low taxes.</p>
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<p>Here we have a nice handy cost-of-living calculator:</p>
<p>[City</a> of Kansas City Cost of Living Calculator. Kansas–Kansas City Relocation Calculator & Index.](<a href=“Cost of Living Calculator - Comparison by State, City and Zip code | Salary.com”>Cost of Living Calculator - Comparison by State, City and Zip code | Salary.com)</p>
<p>It says that the cost of living in the Los Angeles metropolitan area is 74% higher than the cost of living in the Kansas City area. </p>
<p>Or perhaps you’d prefer this calculator:
[Cost</a> of Living Comparison, Salary Calculator - CityRating.com](<a href=“Cost of Living Calculator, Salary Comparison”>Cost of Living Calculator, Salary Comparison)</p>
<p>It says the cost of living is 81% higher in the Los Angeles area than in Lawrence, Kansas, the location of the University of Kansas.</p>
<p>I understand what you are trying to say. If you stay in Kansas you will have no family. At least in Ca you will have an Aunt. I don’t have a problem with that. I agree with the other posters that it will be unlikely you will get Ca residency.
If you do a search on Rio Hondo College (which is the CC in Whittier) you will see that they have new rules for 2009-10 as to determining an independent student. Also search Long Beach City College -independent vs dependent. It is very clear that being self supporting for any amount of year prior to age 24 does not make a difference. Long Beach has a petition form that you can look at as to what you need to provide in order to be granted an exception. It states clearly that not living with parents nor them not filing taxes for you is not a valid argument.
Come to Ca but go in with your eyes wide open and with clear facts. Contact the community college, contact the admissions office at UCI. Look into different CC colleges in commuting distance of your Aunt’s house. They might have different fees. As other posters have pointed out Ca has a huge budget problem. Money is extremely tight and community colleges and the CSU’s and UC’s have all been badly hit.</p>