<p>If you don’t want to attend KU and would rather live in CA, just be honest about it. Trying to say that you can’t get a quality education at KU is just silly and simply untrue. KU graduates receive acceptances to wonderful professional and graduate programs.
[Facts</a> - The University of Kansas](<a href=“http://www.ku.edu/about/facts/#academic]Facts”>http://www.ku.edu/about/facts/#academic)</p>
<p>I think KU’s high acceptance rate is reflective of the fact that admissions is a clearly stated formula based on gpa, rank and test scores, period. Those who know their numbers don’t hit the mark, do not apply. KU also has a tuition compact, 4 years at a fixed rate. This is great for someone trying to budget and control costs.</p>
<p>Cardinal Fang you might want to realize those calculators base their stuff on information that was most likely gathered years ago. Like I said, yes the cost of living was much less a few years ago BUT it has changed! I think I would know more then you considering I live here. mom60, yes I will contact the admissions offices/or other offices so I can gather information as to how I can determine residency, but also keep in mind that I don’t expect to gain residency in a year. I know it will take much more then that. I know.</p>
<p>Also I double checked Cardinal Fang and where do you get this numbers? I re-ran the calculators and got WAY different numbers. According to the calculators of a person makes around $15,000 and moves to California, lets say Riverside CA (which is the closest place I found to Whittier) I would only have to make $16,985, that’s only about $2,000 more. Hmm, that’s nowhere near 70% or 80% more then what you are talking about, that’s more like 13%. This is using your calculators. Please tell me if I’m doing something wrong because I plug in numbers and that’s what I got. Also take into consideration that Los Angeles, or even Long Beach is not comparable to other cities in SoCal. Real estate and prices differ greatly from area to area. Of course Los Angeles is going to be way more expensive then Whittier, no doubt. I believe that is a reason as to why my aunt moved because prices are ridiculously higher in the city or areas close to the ocean.</p>
<p>Southern Cal is expensive (so is Northern Cal - bay area) - no doubt about it. It’s more expensive than most areas of the country when it comes to housing prices even with the downturn in real estate. It’s certainly more expensive than Kansas. Actually, in some cases the RE prices downturn makes rents increase because there are very few companies building new apartment buildings or homes right now. Even the inland areas are expensive unless you plan to get a hundred or so miles away from a metro area.</p>
<p>Given that, there are plenty of people, especially college students, who rent a room in someone’s house, especially a relative’s house, who are able to live on a reasonable monthly rate. If you have an aunt willing to rent you a room for a few hundred dollars then I think that’s great. I really don’t know how closely any of the colleges would look at this other than the fact that you’re not living with your parents or guardian and are paying rent.</p>
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Do you expect the California colleges would be any different than Kansas in this regard? Make sure you check with your particular target colleges on this point before counting on it.</p>
<p>You’ve received a lot of good advice here along with some conjecture but the best advice most of the posters have given is to firstly make sure the rose colored glasses are off and realize that this question you posed is an good one and important one and to check with some particular colleges’ admissions departments to see what they have to say about the question. I suggest checking at least two different CCs in the area you plan to live and at least 2 UCs and 2 CSUs so you can see if there’s any consistency in their responses.</p>
<p>Again - good luck on this. I hope it all works out. And if you get concrete responses positive or negative from these colleges I’m sure other readers of this thread, perhaps others in a similar situation to yours, would be interested in the responses if you’ll update the thread with them.</p>
<p>Jc, are you planning to live in the Whittier area, or the Riverside area? Whittier is 20 miles from Los Angeles. It’s 50 miles from Riverside and there’s a small mountain range in between. Yahoo says the median price of a house for sale in Whittier is $365K; in Riverside, it’s $217K. The two places are not remotely comparable.</p>
<p>ucsd<em>ucla</em>dad, yeah I’ll keep people posted on how it goes for me if I go to California and as to whether colleges help me to some extent.</p>
<p>Cardinal Fang, are you just mad because I’m trying to move over there or something? It seems as if you are trying to find all the possible excuses as to how I should not move. I don’t own a house nor will I be buying one. All I am doing is going to rent a house like any person is allowed to. Just because my aunt is offering me a room for $300/month doesn’t mean that no one else could do that. I looked up rents on craigslist and guess what? There were other rooms for that much in or around Los Angeles. I’m sorry you have to pay so much for you house. My aunt is offering me a home for that cheap because she moved and payed her house off when they houses were around 100K so she got it for a bargain. Because she was able to afford a house in SoCal for so cheap it’s not my problem, my problem is paying a rent in a place that has been offered to me for such a small rent. Lets just say she made the right choice a few years ago and her choice is paying off. When I mentioned that she was paying $1,400/month I didn’t know the house was hers. I talked to her and she mentioned to me that that was her estimated payment for her house if she were to buy it again. Thankfully my other aunts made the same choice and are now very well off in SoCal. I have 2 aunts and 1 uncle who did the same a long time ago. Invested and now they are very well off. Most likely now the individual families would not be able to afford the houses alone but the were able to a while back. BTW my aunt that offered my the room. Her house is work around $300K, another aunts house $500K, uncles $450K etc. Each of them got their houses for a mere approx $70-80K… Good deal HUH?</p>
<p>Your snobby attitude towards KU is problematic. KU’s not Harvard, but then heck, neither are those CSU’s either. There is no reason you can’t go there and get a quality education at a low price. Sorry, you seem to think that you have some “special circumstance.” You don’t. As other posters have explained, CA schools are in a budget crisis. They will scrutinize those claiming to have CA in-state status very thoroughly. The fact that you don’t <em>want</em> to go to school in Kansas does not make you a special circumstance. There is nothing any different about you than any other out-of-state kid who wants to establish CA residency to get a break.</p>
<p>Hmmmmm. Maybe you should try reading the entire thing before calling my attitude “Snobby”. I came here for suggestions, not to be scrutinized. Like I said before, which you didn’t even bother to read and you just completely ignored, if it doesn’t work out hopefully my parents will have resolved their issues and return to the states and I will return to Kansas and apply to KU or KSU and graduate there and then maybe go somewhere else for graduate school. ALSO!, I’m not making UC’s or CSU my only option, I will apply to other universities throughout the US because I know there is always a chance I wont get accepted into them anyways. The reason I’m moving is because my parents are leaving and I will be alone in Kansas (by alone, I mean financially as well). You do realize that schools in Kansas are at or around $30,000+ dollars a year and FinAID will only cover a small portion of that. I will have to take out loans no matter what, no way around it. AND please STOP assuming things you don’t have a clue about. If you would have read you would have realized that it’s not really a want, yes it plays part into it, but it really has to do with my inability to pay for college by myself and I want to be someplace where I will have some sort of back up and not somewhere where I will be totally alone. Also, when I mean mediocre I mean it’s not the kind of education I’M looking for. I pretty sure the rigor imposed by UC’s is far greater then KU’s, but anyhow, undergrad will always be undergrad. What really matters for a professional career in Medicine is more due to Graduate School. If I do return I will be going to KU or KSU or mabe even UMKC, which is better then KU atleast, (which I can get In-State even though I am out of state) for about 2 years. So please don’t call KU a cheap alternative, I’ve done budgets as to how it will play out, if I leave or if I stay, and no matter what I will end up in some degree of debt. Might as well look for the best I can get. Maybe that wont be any of the UC’s of CSU, it may end up being better schools. But we’ll see.</p>
<p>If so - your EFC takes into account your parents income and assets and your income and assets. Currently you have no income or assets so your EFC (1100 if I recall correctly) is based on just your parents. Once you start earning money then your income/assets as well as your parents will be considered. So, for instance, if you earned the $16985 mentioned above your EFC would be the 1100 from your parents income plus several thousand based on your own income -probably around 5000ish. (17000 less @ 4500 protected income allowance and less @ 1700 for taxes FICA etc = 10,800. 50% of the 10,800 would got toward your EFC) So your total EFC would increase to @ 6600. That would make you ineligible for the Pell (and other federal grant money) as it currently requires an EFC of <4619.</p>
<p>I can understand if your parents move to Mexico why you would rather be in California near relatives than in Kansas. Do follow through with talking to both admissions and financial aid. I do like UCSD_UCLA Dad’s advice about taking the time to check with a couple different schools.</p>
<p>None of the public universities in CA meet full need for the students.</p>
<p>If you want to go and live in CA with your aunt rather than go to Mexico with your parents…that is fine. And it makes sense. I just don’t think your plan for instate residency will fly…but hey…who am I? Give it a whirl and maybe you’ll make it work. If not, you can work in CA and save some money for when you do return to college.</p>
<p>UCLA is a very difficult 30 mile plus commute on I-10 from Whittier. Google maps suggest 2 hours in traffic, a very plausible estimate many afternoons. UC Irvine is also about 30 miles from Whittier in the other direction. I don’t know if that commute is better.</p>
<p>Cal State Univ Fullerton is one of the closer options to Whittier. From their website:
[Financial</a> Aid - Cost of Attending CSUF](<a href=“404: File Not Found - Office of Financial Aid | CSUF”>404: File Not Found - Office of Financial Aid | CSUF)
lists the tuition costs (called Fees in CA) for 2008-9 and 2009-10. Note that the in state tuition cost has risen from $3382 to $4662 since last year - a 37% increase in one year. </p>
<p>Under Financial Aid they give the following info
You are considered INDEPENDENT if you: </p>
<p>Will be at least 24 years of age by December 31 in the application year (for example, December 31, 2009 for the 09-10 school year).
Are an orphan, ward of the court, or both of your parents are deceased.
Are a veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Have legal dependents other than a spouse.
Are a graduate student.
Are married at the time you sign your FAFSA.
Are currently on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces for purposes other than training.
Homeless as designated per federal aid guidelines</p>
<p>BTW, it’s not just that housing is more expensive here (and $900 a month for rent is <em>low</em>) – you can’t rent a studio apt in much of CA for that much). Every. Single. Thing. Costs. More. Think about anything you spend money on in a day; it costs more here. When I moved here, I took a job making 30% more than I’d made elsewhere, and I thought would be fine. But simple things like milk and bread cost more. Gas costs more. Even the fast food costs more! Take every expense you have, and increase them by 50%, and that’ll get you in the ballpark.</p>
<p>Housing near UCI is very pricey, DD’s rent was about $800 per room in the house plus utilities, food, transportation, etc, and that was years ago. UC Riverside might be a cheaper housing as Inland Empire housing is cheaper than the OC. </p>
<p>Another caveat, if you earn enough to support yourself you will not qualify for Pell, SMART, ACG, CAL grant, UC grants etc as need based; this is true even if you can show you get no help from your parents.</p>
<p>Community Colleges in CA have traditionally been much cheaper than some other states, I was surprised at the prices in my newer state when DD took classes here.</p>
<p>DD has a friend from our state who went to a CSU campus last year with no help from parents (one parent in jail) and she was fully self supporting, no family near by or anything. She was unable to get residency for this fall and has moved back to her home state and is attending community college this fall in hopes she can transfer to the state flagship. Maybe it will work out for you, but just remember, being a legal tax paying state residenct does not make you a resident for tuition necessarily. Check out all your options and make sure you plan very well; if you need to move to CA as the best thing for you, do it and go meet with local residency office reps and ask humbly for help and advice as to how to make your situation work best for you within their rules.</p>
<p>No one on this board wants to quash your dreams, they just want to open your eyes to the inequities inherent in bureaocracy.</p>
<p>Annual instate tuition, fees and R&B at KU is $16,000.00, not $30K. I have a kid at KU and even paying OOS tuition, we are well under $30k. As I said earlier the tuition is a 4 year fixed rate and R&B can be fixed for 2 years, great for budget minded students. KSU costs are less. No one is saying you have to go to KU or KSU. If you want to go to CA for personal or family reasons fine, but don’t cite KU’s high tuition or inferior academic quality as the reason, neither are true.</p>
<p>If your stats are good enough for one of the better UCs, IMHO, you should qualify for the Honors Program at KU, which has much to offer. </p>
<p>No one hear wants to squash your dreams, but it is important to remember that state schools are supported by taxpayers, and they have an obligation to enforce reasonable residency rules. Many parents move after kids graduate HS. If I retire to Mexico, should my kid get in-state at UC just becuase Mexico is closer to Calirnia than my state. I do not think so – and my guess is your situation is not unique. Some parents do not support kids in college. IMHO you should not plan on getting Calif residency. Peace.</p>
<p>Yes they do. I’m also looking into their program. I’ve also considered staying put here in my state for a year and manage it out then apply for transfer to Washington University and see I can get accepted. Their Medical program is out standing and If I can accepted that would be great. But California, I’ve been thinking about it and I’ve realized that I would be going and I would end up in more initial debt. Lets just see how this goes. I think I’ll apply for WashU for next fall and UMKC which are far better schools then KU.</p>
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<p>How is that? Umm from where I come from here are the stats.</p>
<p>$8,500/year tuition
~$7,000 roam and board
~5,500 books and supplies and other expenses. That is around $21,000.</p>
<p>In-state</p>
<p>out of state is a whole different story. $21,000 for tuition, 7,000 for R&B and 5,000 for other expenses How does that add up to less then $30,000? If you managed to get under $30,000 then you got a great deal and someone messed up. </p>
<p>Also not to break it to you but you child if out of state most likely went their for the parties and not academics. But IDK that’s just me. I wish it wasn’t like that but what can you do. XP</p>
<p>Let just hope I can get into Washington University or UMKC which have better medical programs.</p>
<p>I’m not sure how long parents have to live in California to establish legitimate residence for their college-aged children, but is there any chance of your parents moving to California for whatever period of time is necessary for you (and them) to establish residence there? This will save you (and them, if they are at all involved in paying for your college) a great deal of money. Do make sure that you will remain an in-state resident at the point that they move to Mexico, though, should they agree to do this.</p>