Everything you wanted to know or should know about accounting

<p>I’m not taxguy, but I’m an accounting major, so I guess I’ll try to throw something out here.</p>

<p>creamgethamoney:</p>

<p>Tax and audit are generally the two major service lines that many accounting firms will have. So, generally, when you progress later on in an accounting career, you will choose which you would like to specialize in. I mean, don’t get me wrong…if you specialize in one, you’re not necessarily stuck in it forever and ever, but someone who wants to work in tax will have to have a lot of tax technical know-how that won’t be as necessary in audit, and an auditor will have to learn a lot of Audit standards, FASes, etc.,</p>

<p>The question in audit might be: is a company reporting its financial information properly according to GAAP or IFRS or whatever other standard? </p>

<p>However, the question in tax might be: is a company conducting its financial transactions in a way that will maximize after-tax income and reach their goals (are they taking advantage of deductions, income shifting and timing strategies, etc.,?)</p>

<p>When the firms come by, the auditors will like to say that audit is for more outgoing, extroverted kinds of people who are willing to go out to the client firms and ask questions to get the required information while tax people stay in the office and stick to the numbers. However, the tax people are likely to counter that the auditors are more likely to get sent into some hole in the wall city counting inventory, but tax, on the other hand, allows for more creativity (because there are so many different ways to structure different transactions, different tax or non-tax considerations to take into consideration.)</p>

<p>Anyway, inter-group joking aside, I think that audit would be more fit toward people who want things to be just so. The audit will have an audit plan, and basically, that plan has a checklist that needs to be checked off down the list. However, that’s not to say that audit is no fun. With an audit, there’s always the possibility to discover some kind of fraud or discrepancy and then that’s a whole new ballpark. And I think that tax would be more fit toward people who are comfortable with thinking outside the box…at looking at multiple options, researching the tax consequences of these, etc.,</p>

<p>Like I said earlier, though, I don’t think that if you pick one, you’ll be stuck there forever and ever and ever…</p>

<p>Now…to address openedskittles:</p>

<p>I don’t go to UT, and A&M has different tracks for our similar kind of program, but I think I can still relate. “Financial reporting and assurance” seems like the UT program’s term for audit, while tax is tax.</p>

<p>Managerial accounting and control is a bit different. Whereas audit and tax are generally service lines by public accounting CPA firms (because they are outside, ‘neutral’ entities), managerial accounting is the accounting that is done within an industry firm. So, for example, with cost accounting, you might want to know how much of your costs are attributable to your labor (direct and indirect), your materials (direct and indirect), or to overhead and administration. That way, you can budget and make documents that can be used by the company’s management to make production goals, sales goals, etc., etc.,</p>

<p>And then, of course, you’d be preparing the financial statements (income statement, balance sheet, etc.,) that would be audited by an auditor, or you’d be wondering about the tax implications that would be advised with the help of a tax consultant.</p>

<p>Generalist seems like a fun kind of specialty track. As it says on the website, you’d be able to select your own grad courses out of taxation, info technology, audit or fraud examination, etc.,</p>

<p>Audit is similar to being a detective. You take the company prepared financial statement and verify that the information is correct. Thus, you would check bank statements to see if the cash reported is correct. You would count inventory to ascertain correctness etc. In the upper levels, you check some of their accounting transactions as to being in accordance with appropriate accounting principles. Thus, you should have a strong understanding of of APB’s and SASs.</p>

<p>Tax involved two parts: compliance and planning. There is usually a lot of research associated with tax. You need to have a fair understanding of some of the Internal Revenue Code, Regulatins and rulings. IN addition, you need to understand how to prepare a variety of tax returns . Tax is more akin to legal thinking and legal research.</p>

<p>Tax and audit are very different animals</p>

<p>I have a question, taxguy.</p>

<p>I haven’t read the topic in detail, so perhaps you already answered all of this, but…</p>

<p>What has your background in tax been? Can you tell me about the different areas in tax for the firms that you’ve worked for, and what’s been your favorite/least favorite parts about the jobs?</p>

<p>subversive asset notes,"What has your background in tax been? Can you tell me about the different areas in tax for the firms that you’ve worked for, and what’s been your favorite/least favorite parts about the jobs? "</p>

<p>Response: I am both a lawyer and CPA and worked for a big 4 accounting firm, although it was one of the big 8 when I was there. I was also a lawyer for the IRS.</p>

<p>My favorite thing was tax research and memos, and opinion letters. My least favorite things was doing dozens upon dozens of tax returns during tax season and hated putting in lots of overtime. However, many thinkgs have changed at accouting firms. Today, they treat the people a LOT better. </p>

<p>During my time professionals worked long hours without overtime pay in order to eventually make partner. Today, firms bring in all kinds of GREAT food during tax time and either pays them overtime or gives them a lot of comp time. For example, my son gets off every friday after April 15 till September 2 and rarely has to work on Saturday except during tax season. In addition, they provide other benefits such as large screen TVs to watch sporting events, parties etc. It is a very different environment in accounting firms today then in yesteryear!</p>

<p>Taxguy: would a JD/MBT combo be better than a MBT by itself from USC? I’d like to eventually go into more legal/tax consulting in the future. I don’t want to do compliance forever.</p>

<p>Hi Taxguy,</p>

<p>Thought I’d ask you this question especially after finding out you possess a JD. How useful would an accounting background be compared to a real estate law background if one wants to transition to real estate development? More specifically, if say you want to own a real estate development company building…I don’t know…dorms for colleges or a mix-use retail/residential building, which background, accounting or law, would be more useful in general? And why?</p>

<p>I’ve looked at the Urban Land Institute website along with several real estate development master’s programs, and they all seem to mention law as a closely-related field, but accounting is never mentioned. For an accountant @ a Big 4, I’m guessing that the entry route to real estate would be to work in the real estate practice/division, right? Thanks.</p>

<p>Accounting will provide both a broad based business education and provides a strong knowledge for analyzing financial statements,which provide useful skills for any endeavor. However, with that said, have you thought of majoring in real estate as an undergrad. There are varies schools that have this such as University of Wisconsin et. al? Also, there are programs in real estate construction management. Both of these majors might be more beneficial than accounting if you want a career in real estate development.</p>

<p>[Staffing</a> firm searches for end of tunnel - Dallas Business Journal:](<a href=“http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2009/03/30/daily2.html]Staffing”>http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2009/03/30/daily2.html)</p>

<p>What does this mean? Accounting was always supposed to be hot…</p>

<p>From what I can tell, accounting is still in demand …but…there are fewer new jobs around because of the economy. More firms are trying to make do with the staff that they have instead of using outside contractors, and there are probably fewer new positions due to the economy. No business is 100% recession proof. However, as the article notes, accounting is probably one of the safer occupations in a recession.</p>

<p>taxguy, you have been very helpful with your insight. I plan to do an undergrad major in accounting and i hope to be a CPA in the future.</p>

<p>You had previously stated that it does not matter which uni you have done your accounting undergrad in, therefore can you please help me in my decision of accepting one of the two universities for completing an undergrad accounting program: University of Southern California (USC) of University of Illinois urbana champaign (UIUC)</p>

<p>i have to make an acceptance decision soon, and do hope you can bring in some factors that could help affect this decision wisely.</p>

<p>bigmik, they are both pretty much the same. You should base your decision on which school you like better and where you want to live/work after college because your first job will be California if you go to USC or Illinois if you go to UIUC.</p>

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I’m a HS senior and going to attend a top40-50 school. </p>

<p>Since the prestige of the school doesn’t matter much, would you say that a career accounting would be disadvantageous for students in high ranked schools (top50)? I mean it would be more difficult to get a high GPA at, for example, Wharton than at some much lower ranked school. </p>

<p>In this line of work, how important is it to have connections, pull strings, or make the right friends? Can a person reach the top of the ladder (ex. partner) solely based on the quality of his/her work?</p>

<p>Alternatively I could consider a major in finance… How much effect would the prestige of the school have on starting salaries in that case?</p>

<p>tmt64 notes,"would you say that a career accounting would be disadvantageous for students in high ranked schools (top50)? I mean it would be more difficult to get a high GPA at, for example, Wharton than at some much lower ranked school. "</p>

<p>Response: First, I am not sure this is true. The average GPA at most ivys is a “B” or even higher, while the average GPA and schools with easier admission tend to be lower.</p>

<p>As I said , the prestige of the school for accounting jobs is fairly irrelevant. However, if you want to go into other fields such as consulting etc., going to a school such as Wharton will be very beneficial. Also, because Wharton is in my opinion, by far, the best known business school in the US, it might open door that might not open elsewhere. Thus, that is one place, I might recommend even for accounting.</p>

<p>taxguy: jd/mbt or mbt from USC?</p>

<p>i don’t want to work in public accounting forever…</p>

<p>I am going to start my college experience in the fall and i am going to major in accounting through Xavier University’s 5 year MBA program and i am considering minoring in computer science. any thoughts? good idea? bad idea? i was thinking it would be a very good way to get ahead in a society that is relying more and more on technology every year. please only respond if you know what your talking about as i am looking for serious help. thanks!</p>

<p>This is depressing.
[Jobless</a> rate rises to 8.5 percent | Philadelphia Inquirer | 04/04/2009](<a href=“http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20090404_Jobless_rate_rises_to_8_5_percent.html]Jobless”>Jobless rate rises to 8.5 percent)
"The statistics worry such college graduates as Robel Andemicael, 23, of Carneys Point, N.J., who attended a career fair at Rutgers University in Camden on Tuesday.</p>

<p>He graduated in January with an accounting degree. “I thought there would always be a need for [accountants],” he said, plaintively. Now he’s back living with his parents."</p>

<p>On the other hand
[Spotlight</a> Online 2009](<a href=“NACE - Page not found”>NACE - Page not found)</p>

<p>In terms of securing jobs, accounting and engineering grads are doing best this year, according to preliminary results of NACE’s 2009 Student Survey. (See Figure 1.)</p>

<p>Thirty-eight percent of bachelor’s-degree-level accounting grads that have applied for jobs already have one, while 23 percent of bachelor’s-level engineering grads who have applied have also found a job. In comparison, overall just 19 percent of this year’s grads who have applied for jobs have already secured one.</p>

<p>Awesome…</p>

<p>The economic downturn is definitely an issue in finding a job these days but lets not forget that Rutgers Camden is different from Rutgers Newark and New Brunswick. Rutgers Newark and Rutgers New Brunswick are both much better Rutgers Camden. Also, Camden is the southern part of NJ which is closer to Philadelphia and probably has less jobs than central NJ/northern NJ and New York City.</p>

<p>Hey taxguy,
i was wondering which route would provide better training and a better future , working for the big four or working for the IRS. Is it normal for the big four to hire people from the IRS ?</p>

<p>yesimdid, you can have a decent career working at either one. If you go into the IRS and REALLY become an expert in an area, there are many firms, including big 4, that will hire you. However, it isn’t easy to become a real expert in an area.</p>

<p>Big 4 training can be in many areas other than tax. Thus, you have that going for you. In the tax department, you generally learn corporate tax although other types of tax issues can occur.Personally, you can do well starting at either the IRS or big 4 as long as you are willing to work hard and learn your craft.</p>

<p>Thank you for taking your time to respond to my questions tax guy.</p>