<p>yea water that makes since, that goes for any school though, i take it you go to UT?</p>
<p>as a HS senior
its between Marketing / Accounting / or Political Science (JD route)</p>
<p>First off, not me, it’s my child going to college, but we were all there in the session.</p>
<p>Secondly, not UT. You won’t find the school anywhere on the public accounting report ranking. Actually, the school is only well known in its region, it doesn’t have much name recognition outside the west. So in a sense, the ranking doesn’t matter, but the program is very well received by the local branches.</p>
<p>Edit - My friend worked in the local branch of the big 4 also confirmed the information we got from the school.</p>
<p>So where does your kid go?</p>
<p>btw i meant that what you said goes for any “target” school</p>
<p>^ Yes, that goes for any “target” school. </p>
<p>What I am trying to say in my last post is, the school doesn’t have to be a top-10, top-25 in accounting to be a “target” school as it does in investment banking.</p>
<p>Yea i totally agree , some people don’t realize that.
A ton of businesses recruit students from local universities.</p>
<p>Latest update on interviewing process - son invited to do home office visits at PWC, E&Y and KPMG. Will begin as soon as finals are over. Crossing fingers that he will get the answers he’s looking for in order to make a decision. They all have positives, and he is torn at this point.</p>
<p>Does your S have a strong GPA?</p>
<p>3.7 cumulative, higher if only counting business/acct classes, but I’m not sure exactly what it is.</p>
<p>what are my chances of getting a FT position?</p>
<p>top 25 accounting school
3.76 cumulative gpa
3.56 accounting gpa</p>
<p>No one can tell you your chances.</p>
<p>You’re GPA is pretty strong, obviously you go to a great accounting school (would you mind telling me?)</p>
<p>I think one of the most under-rated keys to securing a full time job is your personality/interview skills. For some reason, I have terrible social skills with people my own age. I’m always shy beyond belief, hate meeting new people, can’t really keep a conversation with someone new (like a girl I like), but I do have the ability to connect with the older generation. I don’t know what I do special or differently, but I connect with them on a higher level. </p>
<p>That is key. Sure, maybe one of the Big 4 would like someone with a 4.0 to just stick them in a corner cubicle, but they also desire individuals who have the ability to be personable.</p>
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<p>This is the impression my son has gotten as well. He has been told that they need people who can interact with clients socially, and that social skills are crucial to being hired. He heard from one guy that they had cut someone from the interviewing process after the pre-dinner, but before the 1st interview, because of the guy’s actions/inactions/manners/? at the dinner. </p>
<p>So, my son took from that, that he is always being watched! Every time he is with them, it is part of the “interview”, even on the golf course or over drinks.</p>
<p>Like I said before, you have to be truly brain-dead to not be social around recruiters.</p>
<p>I think there are a few brain dead folks then. From what I’ve heard, there have been kids who looked like deer in the head lights at some of these meals, sitting and staring into space and only responding when directly spoken to, and in monosyllables. </p>
<p>I’m not sure if those kids are just so nervous they don’t know what to say, or if they are just not sociable.</p>
<p>I could tell some “awkward” stories I heard, but I’ll leave it at, better be ready to converse on a multitude of subjects, and if you don’t know anything about it, be ready to bs.</p>
<p>I’ve been to such dinners, very few are that stupid. Just like I hear plenty of stories about people dressing stupidly at career fairs but never see it. </p>
<p>That’s not to say social=they like you. You may be very far from that monosyllable deer in headlights kid and still not be someone they like or think will be a good worker drone for a few years.</p>
<p>Agree with Jonahrubin 100%. Yeah I have been to plenty of dinners and I have actually never seen anyone like that. Maybe they are freshman who are not use to such dinners and talking to real professionals. However even if you are very sociable, you could also be loud, cocky, or obnoxious. And even if you are not that sociable, ask questions, make sure there are no awkward long pauses, etc. Other than that, it’s really not hard for people to hold a decent conversation with a recruiter.</p>
<p>I agree totally, and that was my point, be sociable. For some people, that might be hard though, and something they need to work on because it is an important part of the whole interview process. To just say that anyone can talk to a recruiter may not be true for those who are not comfortable in a social situation.</p>
<p>Here is an example of what I was talking about. At a dinner, there were 8 people at the table, a partner, a senior manager, two young recruiters/greeters, and four people who were interviewing. The entire table is laughing and talking about sports, classes and things that had gone on in the fall (just innocuous table talk), except for one poor girl. She sat silently throughout the entire conversation even when people tried to elicit a comment or bring her into the conversation. Then when there was a small break, she meekly asked, “Will you explain the internship to me?” To which the greeter responded, “We’ll discuss that during the interview.” After an awkward pause, everybody went back to talking. </p>
<p>It’s not that the question was a bad one, it’s just that it was totally out of context to the discussion going on with the rest of the table, and people’s responses were uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Not a freshman, in fact a junior applying for an internship, but a girl out of her element, who is probably painfully shy, and maybe unused to picking up social clues. A 4.0 might get you the interview, but if you cannot carry on a conversation, you may not get past the first interview.</p>
<p>And, absolutely, if you are a loud, obnoxious, bore, I doubt you’re going to get past the dinner, much less the interview. Either personality deficit is not conducive to this kind of interviewing process where so much of it is in social, “get to know you”, kind of settings.</p>
<p>im having trouble deciding on a school. I was accepted to UCLA for pre-biz econ and UCI for biz admin. They are both aascb accredited and I plan on taking my CPA exam after. There are two major cons to each school. I have to apply into the business econ major and the accounting minor at UCLA after I take a few courses there and UCI has a brand new business program. Im scared that I cannot make it into the bizecon program or get the accounting minor at ucla. Im also worried about the job outlook at uci. which path should I take?</p>
<p>^^^ I go to UCLA and am on the Business Econ track right now (finishing 1st year).</p>
<p>First off, just because you don’t make Biz Econ or the Accounting minor doesn’t mean squat. You can still sign up for the classes and everything needed to eventually sit for the CPA exam.</p>
<p>Preference for major, like I’m sure many will agree, is total BS. No one cares about the difference between the majors of Accounting, Business Administration, Economics, Business Economics, etc…<br>
When employers see those majors they think, “hey, heres a kid whose studied about markets and the business world, probably has at least an elementary knowledge of accounting and how markets work and fluctuate.” </p>
<p>You want to sit for the CPA? </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents here, but I would go with UCLA. The bigger name is great for recruiting/internships/job placement and experience is the most important factor when looking for a job. Even if you fail at BizEcon, just major in regular Econ, take all of the accounting courses needed, and move on to the CPA exam.</p>
<p>I got into both and having a hard time choosing. i plan to become a CPA. So far, I know there is a good accounting emphasized program in UCSB and big four go there for recruiting. However, UCSD is a better undergraduate school as reputation and it has a accounting minor now. Does anyone know any accounting firms recruiting ppl there? Ant thought?</p>
<p>binks09, I just wonder a students is allowed to take the upper level accounting classes if he’s not admitted into the minor in UCLA. If it’s open to anyone, does the non-bizecon student have same priority if the class has a waiting list?</p>
<p>You can probably explain the difference of 1st phase, 2nd phase. <a href=“http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x15158.xml[/url]”>http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x15158.xml</a>
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