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<p>“And since we don’t see Oklahoma State and Oregon grads wearing sandwich boards, I guess it’s safe to conclude they don’t lose their jobs like MIT grads”</p>
<p>That was witty hahahaha. But no. Many OSU and Oregon grads have lost their jobs because of the economy, but, unfortunately for them, they deon’t have the name to attract many job offers.</p>
<p>"I will agree that the majority of students cant afford to go to college tours to every college they desire to get into. Howver there are many alternative ways to identifying with a college. "</p>
<p>Not reallly. Many people think they love big campuses but then tour USC and hate it, many people think they love rural campuses but tour Williams and lament how it is in the middle of nowhere. So people might as well base their top choices on how prestigious they are.
You do realize that that this is what PRACTICALLY EVERY SINGLE STUDENT DOES. That’s why people do ed to their reach schools, because they want to get into their reach schools to get the prestigious diploma. Are you saying that all those kids are wrong and should ed to one of their safeties or matches because the prestige of the university doesn’t matter? Also, I know it sounds shallow but people judge you by the prestige of a degree; it does wonders for someone’s self-esteem to have someone be in awe of your Harvard degree, and it feels terrible to have people look at you and think, “OH, he is a stupid community college graduate.” It sounds shallow, but this is the way the world works.</p>
<p>"And no, the degree does not matter, you make your education, the school doesnt, a degree from harvard is no different than a degree from Wisconsin, both prove to be helpful. "</p>
<p>That’s just wrong. That’s why Ivy league grads have such astronomically high starting salaries.</p>
<p>“You act as if the only outlet to success depends on the prestige of the university your attending, I feel bad for you when you make the wrong decision, if you havent already. Theres so much more to a university than prestige or if its in the top 15.”</p>
<p>Yes, that is true. But all the basic components and activites of a college are present at basically all schools, classes, student bodies, intramurals, club and varsity sports, girls, guys, parties. There is NOTHING wrong with choosing a college based on its prestige (even the Fiske Guide to Colleges says this!) because chances are that you’ll be happy there and have doors opened for you.</p>
<p>Of course you can still be successful without a big-name diploma, but the big-name diploma sure helps. That’s why all the big companies recruit at MIT, Harvard, Yale, etc.</p>
<p>Honestly, Lil’ liberal, I don’t see your purpose.</p>
<p>There are many reasons why some students got into top choices but didn’t choose to go. However, I’m not saying not to apply and attend these schools if you have all the right reasons. I honestly can only see top schools make a difference in the investment banking world. Because in running a business, it’s all about results and performance.</p>
<p>Take for example one company HP.
Top school CEO(Stanford), Carly Fiorina, was out because she could not deliver. Employees hated her.
Non-top school CEO(Baylor), Mark Hurd, took over and delivers great results. WS and employee love him.</p>
<p>I think OP has given new irrelevance to the term “evidence”.</p>
<p>Where has the scientific method gone? Where is logic?</p>
<p>I deal with investment bankers. They’re arrogant idiots. They are the only ones who care that much about where you went to school. And they do it in a particularly stupid way. It’s based on their friends, what they’ve heard of.</p>
<p>So if an investment banker has to choose between Swarthmore and Michigan, 90% of the time he’ll choose Michigan because “it’s a better school.”</p>
<p>The rest of the world - Medical Schools, Law Schools, computer industry, etc. - just can’t afford to be that dumb. Read Liar’s Poker if you get a chance.</p>
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<p>And that’s precisely the problem right there. Sometimes you have to be willing to take whatever job comes along, not just your dream job. You certainly shouldn’t be sitting around for 8 months unemployed, not when people who didn’t even go to college at all can still find tech jobs (i.e. IT jobs). Not to be overly harsh, but if you’re just going to sit back and hope that your dream job will find you rather than aggressively pursuing whatever opportunities happen to be available as well as diligently building marketable skills, then I don’t have any sympathy for you.</p>
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<p>Carly got a $21 million severance package when she was fired. I certainly wouldn’t mind getting paid $21 million to be fired. Heck, you can fire me as many times as you want if you’re going to pay me that. </p>
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<p>As well as management consulting, venture capital, private equity, hedge funds, to name just a few. Coincidentally (OK maybe not), these happen to be among the most desirable of employers for new college graduates.</p>
<p>Academia is also extremely elitist - in fact, arguably the most elitist profession of all. It is the only discipline where careful perusing of somebody’s CV is not only tolerated, but actually encouraged, and your education is one of the very first items that is listed on the CV, just after your contact info and your current position. </p>
<p>And then we have today’s inauguration, where the Presidency was handed from one Harvard graduate to another. Heck, we will have a President who is a Harvard or Yale graduate (or both Harvard AND Yale in the case of GWB) for at least 24 years straight now and counting. If Obama is re-elected in 2012 and Hillary or perhaps Mitt Romney wins in 2016, then that would mean at least 32 years straight of Harvard or Yale in the White House.</p>
<p>honestly I hate how people on college confidential think that without going to a great school you are not going to get a high paying job. that is not true. this is only true in some situations. some professions don’t really care about where you went to school as long as you have a degree.</p>
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<p>Sorry, but its gotten to the point where the both of us do not see eye to eye, which is fine. Therefore I respectively disagree with your views, but I am no longer going to voice my opinion on them since you seem to be in a world of your own. I do sincerely wish you the best at whatever university you attend</p>
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<p>Yeah but if you are comparing to people who started their own companies and take it public, the founders of these companies are much wealthy in the end. Even in today’s economy, those 4 that I listed are not loosing much money. While some of the investment bankers and hedge funds managers are not as wealthy. Richard Fuld is one good example, he went from billionaire to just plain old millionaire in just a few days.</p>
<p>yeah, but my dad says that in this troubled economy where many are losing their jobs, a big-time diplma can help a lot.</p>
<p>Of course, your dad is always right. BTW is he Asian?
I noticed when I go interview with Asian managers they made a big deal about which colleges and stuff while the non-Asian managers never did.</p>
<p>NO HE ISN’T.</p>
<p>wow, you are racist.</p>
<p>I don’t see how a big-name diploma won’t help you get a job in this bad economy.</p>
<p>No Im not. This has often happened to me so often to the point that I believe that some cultures actually believe in this stuff.</p>
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<p>No, that comment was racist.</p>
<p>And, every student knows that a top school diploma is helpful, that’s why the aim for prestige.</p>
<p>the true tragedy is when poor smart kids can’t go to prestigious schools and have to settle for lesser schools.</p>
<p>Hopefully Obama wwill change that…</p>
<p>“If the man was wearing a sign that read “North Dakota Community College Graduate needs work” or “George Mason grad seeking employment,” his plan wouldn’t have worked.”</p>
<p>You have no way of knowing that.</p>
<p>“That’s wrong. The reason he got so much press coverage and was covered in
USA Today is because of the prestige of the MT name.”</p>
<p>You have no way of knowing that.</p>
<p>“This has nthing to do with Persky. Persky got more prosepctive job offers becuase of his prestigious college.”"</p>
<p>You have no way of knowing that.</p>
<p>Basically you refuted my points with your personal opinions. Which isn’t a refutation at all, it’s just your opinion.</p>
<p>In any case, as much as I would like to see it, Obama is not going to change the fact that attending a top school is incredibly expensive (sticker price = $120,000+ over four years) and that the majority of low-income and middle-class families are not able to afford that. He can’t make top schools lower their prices, and he can’t make them offer more scholarships and grants to low-income students. I suppose he could try to offer more government coverage to students, but it’s not going to be enough to cover the excess of a Harvard education even if the tuition is waived for a family who can barely afford the airfare to Boston.</p>
<p>Obama said he as going to make college more affordable, so I’m pretty sure he’ll give each family with a child going to college a rebate wirth a significant amount of money, just like when some Republican proposed offering 100 dollar rebates to people to help them afford gas.</p>