<p>+3 for columbia student</p>
<p>What’s TTT?</p>
<p>And is it me or does it seem like most successful people went to their state flagships?</p>
<p>Longer version:</p>
<p>Yes, going to a top school will help you get a job out of college. But it’s a terrible measure of how successful someone will be in the long run. Remember that admissions are judged by things someone did in high school. Does anyone really think that high school determines the kind of person you’ll be? It’s like life stops at graduation for some of you.</p>
<p>Re post #16. </p>
<p>What was your point??? I count half as being Ivies and Stanford.</p>
<p>So out of hundreds of colleges, 9 are common to over half of Senators. By any measure of statistical revelance, that is a lot.</p>
<p>“Then why is he out on a street holding up a sign. None of the TTT graduates that I know of has to do that. In fact, none of my TTT friend has been unemployed in the last 25-30+ years. So I guess the degree does not matter.”</p>
<p>Why do you think? the bad economy. The degree mattera a lot because it got him exposure and more job offers.</p>
<p>Lil’ Liberal, you say I am ignorant? You are completely obvlivious to how helpful a big-name degee is. I recognize that many students may feels like terrible failures because they didn’t get into top colleges or prestigious honors programs like the one at American University, but telling them that their lack of prestigious degrees does not matter is just incorrect.</p>
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<p>If you want to feel like a failure that is your choice but not many students do. I had 20 students(friends of my daughter) over Xmas break and I floated similar idea to yours and they all laughed at me.
Schools these students are attending: Georgia Tech, NYU, Brown, Bowdoin, etc…</p>
<p>NYU, Brown, and Bowdoin are top schools.</p>
<p>They are good schools but not top schools except maybe Brown.</p>
<p>I don’t know Columbia student. Brown (and Bowdoin) aren’t merely “maybe” top schools. They ARE top schools. NYU isn’t, but Stern is.</p>
<p>The thread started with MIT. So top schools are HYPMC + Stanford or even top top 20 schools. Bowdoin is well known in the East Coast but not in CA. I would be surprised if the general public heard of it. US news ranks the following top LACs</p>
<p>[Liberal</a> Arts Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/liberal-arts-search]Liberal”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/liberal-arts-search)
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<p>Its always funny to argue against someone who is so closeminded and ultimately doesnt understand the intent of a post (hmm…theend…), I have never discredited the fact that, graduating from a top university is useless and will not prove helpful. Once again your ignorance blinds you. Plus you keep bringing up this random fact about failure students? What the hell is that about? Are you insisting that because of my thread I am a student who cannot get into “top universities”, im sorry to tell you this but that is far from the truth…On another note honestly, your dim-witted idea is ridiculous to begin with, you couldnt possible come up with a better example than the example in the OP, lol…Sorry if this was harsh, it was meant to be :)</p>
<p>"Its always funny to argue against someone who is so closeminded and ultimately doesnt understand the intent of a post (hmm…theend…), I have never discredited the fact that, graduating from a top university is useless and will not prove helpful. "</p>
<p>You implied that going to a top school does not matter. You made an ENTIRE THREAD with disseminating this idea as the premise.</p>
<p>“Once again your ignorance blinds you.” </p>
<p>You don’t give any evidence that I am being ignorant or state how I am being ignorant.</p>
<p>“Are you insisting that because of my thread I am a student who cannot get into “top universities”, im sorry to tell you this but that is far from the truth…”</p>
<p>No, I said that you sound like a student who cannot get into “top universities” who is trying to make himself feel better.</p>
<p>You sound like a football player who wants to go to the NFL but wasn’t good enough to get an offer from a D 1 school; however, you keep saying, going to a D 1 school doesn’t matter at all, I can still make the pros just as easily from a d3 school.
OF course, this isn’t true, but it’s what you sound like.</p>
<p>"On another note honestly, your dim-witted idea is ridiculous to begin with, you couldnt possible come up with a better example than the example in the OP, lol…Sorry if this was harsh, it was meant to be "</p>
<p>You give zero evidence to support your claim.</p>
<p>I’m just tired of you trying convince kids that even if they are really qualified, they should still shoot for non-top schools because it doesn’t really matter. What if a student listened to you and chose some community college or jamestown college over Harvard because “it doesn’t matter where your degree comes from?” He would be missing out on all the benefits of a Harvard diploma because he followed your advice.</p>
<p>It’s sickening.</p>
<p>Do we really need evidence?</p>
<p>Thank you Giggitus…Do I really need to explain myself in detail when your example is so, one irrelevent, and two foolish. Why waste time on a hopeless lost cause? As for ignorance, do you understand this concept? I implied in my thread that you should stray away from a top university, why do you make yourself out to be such an imbecule? My thread is entirely based off of the fact that a majority of students want to get into these colleges for the name, not because its there best fit choice. If a student is qualified and loves every aspect of Harvard, thats great, I wish the best for that student, however choosing a college based off prestige is ridiculous and not a wise decision. Oh one pointer, if your going to debate with someone, its wise to know what your arguing about. Honestly, go reread my thread and any post I recorded in it, and see if you can find any “evidence” that supports your claims. My thread was actually useful and enlightening…yours however is a horrilbe attempt to prove something that, according to these forums, doesnt need proving…Oh and I can do this all day if you want, lets see if you can wrap your belittled mind around this one. </p>
<p>Verdict anyone?</p>
<p>No, I said that you sound like a student who cannot get into “top universities” who is trying to make himself feel better.
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<p>LOL… I dont need to council myself, I KNOW I can get into them if I so choose, as you can tell by the tone of my posts, im completely confident in myself.</p>
<p>It’s like this:</p>
<p>Getting into a top ranked school like HYPSM or any of the other top 15 ranked schools is merely an indication that you are a smart, hardworking, and studious individual.</p>
<p>The school sets opportunities up. Smart students who can get into MIT tend to take more initiative of their lives since they are intelligent to begin with. It is the student that sets up opportunities for themselves by getting the grades, participating in the activities, taking control of their own lives, making decisions that will affect their lives down the road, doing things that they need to do to get them the job.</p>
<p>College is just an incubator that allows you mature. It’s up to you do the right things *yourself *to pump up the resume and get your first job.</p>
<p>That said, the act of attending a top school simply states that you are a hard worker to begin with. </p>
<p>MIT accepts top students. MIT doesn’t create success. The act of attending says you are a smart person but its your individual responsibility to use the resources that are open to you at MIT to craft a resume that will get that first job you want.</p>
<p>Going to a top school doesn’t matter because even if the alumni networking is among the best, if you aren’t taking advantage of the resources and participating in activities, then you won’t get a job regardless of your background, major, or degree.</p>
<p>After degree, individual initiative, individual accomplishments matter a lot too. That said, if you can get into MIT, you must be accomplished in the first place.</p>
<p>over the break, i learned that one MIT alum was out of job for almost a year (he had closer to 5.0 GPA at MIT)<br>
Top schools do not mean squash. An MIT resume does not get a second look in this economy. Key words in your resume will, however.</p>
<p>lil’ liberal: “LOL… I dont need to council myself”</p>
<p>Sorry, but I lol’ed pretty hard at this error.</p>
<p>“My thread is entirely based off of the fact that a majority of students want to get into these colleges for the name, not because its there best fit choice.”</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that most students can’t afford to go on expensive college tours to determine which school is actually “the best fit.” So a great alternative is to base their top choices on which ones are most prestigious, because the degree WILL probably help them out.</p>
<p>I will agree that the majority of students cant afford to go to college tours to every college they desire to get into. Howver there are many alternative ways to identifying with a college. </p>
<p>And no, the degree does not matter, you make your education, the school doesnt, a degree from harvard is no different than a degree from Wisconsin, both prove to be helpful. You act as if the only outlet to success depends on the prestige of the university your attending, I feel bad for you when you make the wrong decision, if you havent already. Theres so much more to a university than prestige or if its in the top 15. However the above statement does not suggest that going to these schools is incorrect, or wrong. Do it for the right reasons!</p>
<p>Also, view my thread and view the number of people who agree with me. Obviously, my ideas arent far-reaching if I have support. So why is it you insist on arguing with me? I have nothing againt you as an individual, if anything I would love to show you that your way of thinking is flawed, similiar to the majority of people on this forum…</p>