Extended Deadline to January 21

[Xanatos]

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Exantos was simply been rude to Greenkids, and I doubt GK cares at all.

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<p>Rude? Don’t you think it was a little rude for greenkids to come on here and bash Dartmouth and make false claims about it just because her son’s connections didn’t work and he was one of many accomplished applicants not to get accepted?</p>

<p>And if you’re going to criticize me, at least get my name right.</p>

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Please try to remember that a) this is not right-wing talk radio

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<p>Comparing me to the morons doing right-wing talk radio is more offensive than anything I said to greenkids.</p>

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My daughter was a recruited athlete at Dartmouth, much less qualified than my son, with athlete roommates who were less qualified than she.

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<p>Uhh…ok…and I’m supposed to believe that the geniuses playing football at Stanford are discovering new chemical elements? Look, I’m not a fan of preferential treatment for athletes in admissions, particular at top academic schools that are supposed to be focusing on something else. In fact, I think it needs to stop. But to pretend that this problem is somehow limited exclusively to Dartmouth, rather than being systematic in nature, is absurd. It’s a completely laughable claim or implication to make. And for the record, in all fairness, as much as I’m not a fan of jocks, I must admit I actually met some intelligent ones during my time at Dartmouth. Do I think that they should have gotten a leg up in the admissions process because they are good at a sport? Absolutely not. But, that said, many of them do belong at the school, even if they got in for the wrong reasons.</p>

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I take total offense to your commenting on my son’s experience in the Haitain Village. You are presumptuous and arrogant to assume you know the circumstances and what he is like as a person. This sort of thing has always been something that is important to him. This was not the first or only of its type. In addition to college next year, he is weighing very heavily the opportunity of going to Tanzania for a year and volunteering and teaching. Please do not judge when you do not have the facts!

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<p>YOU are the one doing your son a disservice. Instead of focusing on what a meaningful activity he participated in, and what valuable experience he gained working in the Haitian village, you go on here and complain about how you are “over” Dartmouth and that they are “gaming the system” because your son got deferred. I’m sure it really was a great, meaningful experience for your son, and I’m sure he did it because he truly cared about helping those Haitian villagers. Such an experience will serve him well, and it’s a win for him no matter which college he ends up going to. Nevertheless, YOU are the one that made it sound like a calculated admissions ploy. YOU are the one that came on here and said, “I can’t believe my son did all that and they didn’t take him anyway.” What does that sound like to you? Imagine you saw or heard someone else make a similar statement. Wouldn’t it sound pompous, entitled, and arrogant? That is why I said that the best way you can help your son is to adjust your attitude (not to mention your expectations).</p>

<p>Look around this forum. Every year in December and April there is a thread on which applicants post their stats and their admissions decisions. Many who are as accomplished as your son, and some who are even more accomplished, get rejected. And yet, these stressed out, dejected 17 and 18 year old kids all have the dignity and graciousness to wish everyone else the best. Seriously. I’ve never seen a single post from a rejected student complaining or saying something along the lines of “Dartmouth is a crappy school because it didn’t admit me.” And yet you, a PARENT, have the audacity to go on here and complain about Dartmouth and talk about the “strategies” it uses to “climb the USNWR rankings” (which, as I’ve already indicated, was a total fabrication on your part)? Excuse me if I don’t feel too much sympathy for someone who expresses sentiments like that. Particularly when it’s a grown adult and not a stressed out high school senior.</p>

[CoolRunning]

<p>Criticize you, Xanatos? Never!</p>

<p>I apologize to you if you took my comment about you being rude to GreenKids as criticism.</p>

<p>I would never intentionally criticize anyone who is younger than all my bad habits.</p>

<p>However, while I do not have the time to explain all of my reasons, I do humbly suggest to you that you are being quite unfair in your criticism of GreenKids.</p>

<p>CoolRunning now fades back into the Lurker Only background . . .</p>

[smileygerl]

<p>I read greenkids post about how upset she is that her son was deferred. Commenting about all her relatives who attended Dartmouth(legacy connection) and that her son was a recruited athlete. She even threw in the urm card. In addition, she continues on and states her connections with administration and how the system is being gamed. The irony of her post is incredible…lol</p>

<p>In the end…I feel bad for any student who has to deal with rejection. Greenlight your son is a hardworking intelligent boy, he will be successful at any college.</p>

[lawyerlady]

<p>As a Princeton grad with a daughter who is a junior in high school, I am very dissapointed at what I am reading on this thread. I would think this group would be more tolerant of everyone’s opinions and feelings. Have not noticed this on Princeton threads. My daughter is very interested in Dartmouth, but this is not nice. I am very new, and maybe naive.</p>

[DartmouthForever]

<p>CC is not an accurate representation of the Dartmouth community. Visit to find out what life is really like here. I assure you it’s not a life of intolerance, racism, or vitriol.</p>

[smileygerl]

<p>I would like to clarify…</p>

<p>I was not being mean spirited…it just struck me as ironic that she would say the admission situation is gamed while stating all the hooks she had.</p>

<p>I wish her son only the best.</p>

[waitlistman]

<p>As parent of a deferred URM with excellent qualifications, I have to admit this does not pass the “smell” test. They did the same thing last year, but specifically for URMs. I was quite disheartened that she was deferred as she had qualifications up there with regular un-hooked applicants and she had loved it so much. They would not provide feedback on her application as I have been told by guidance counselor and now they are extending the deadline? The applications are already up as you say 17 percent for URMs -now they include Asians who while listed as URM receive reverse discrimination as their bell curves are higher than caucasians but this just does not add up to anything more than trying to raise the bar and keep the admit rate lower—if the other ivies game the system-as is clear from the number of invites to apply my D got (and I am not sure she would get into all of them-she could) then they are surely trying to get more applications and that does feed the US news beast. Frankly, I think US News criterion are laughable–reputation based on other deans? What the heck does that have to do with the college’s standing other than a club of people who have each other’s backs. I still hold out hope but the lady with recruited athlete son who got deferred who thinks she has 1 percent chance is likely wrong, but they do not realize that when a kid applies ED and is totally qualified minus any hook and they defer them, that if they do not provide any feedback so the student knows what they are looking for (e.g. fall grades, more ECs, did not understand some coursework) then the deferred student is bound to be left confused and probably, though maybe not justified, a bit hurt…this extension to me stings…I will not mention it to my D.</p>

[waitlistman]

<p>We still love your school but reading the Dartmouth for the last few months (and I know it has a reputation as being something Anne Coulter wanted to imitate for Cornell-that was a quote from a well known journal-not mine so don’t shoot the messenger) but the Dartmouth’s articles about hazing, about mirrors for the girls to look at their privates-lol-did not bother me but it was extremely weird ala "Fried Green Tomatoes’ then the invitation for “Whites only” to a frat party by Blitz mail–the kid was told to apologize? No tolerance of racism-if i had my way he would have been put on suspension for a year and been forced to attend an inner city college where he interned as a diversity coach-lol. Dr. Kim seems to be a truly kind and generous man and I give him credit for being understanding and opting to allow kids to be kids as long as they do not get hurt. I did have some sympathy with the frat guys defending themselves as being labelled guilty by insinuation. Yet, taken as a volume I did NOT feel these articles reflected AT ALL the school that I visited or believe me, I would not have let my enraptured daughter apply ED and risk heart break…I had been advised so many times no to apply ED but I figured if ED was an advantage and this was what she really wanted–go for it–so now we wait. But her call not getting any feedback from the regional representative seems a bit weird to me. I know schools are overwhelmed but an ED applicant who is deferred deserves feedback and 9 out of 10 times I have been told by HS GCs that the college WILL give some feedback–after all, what is the point of leaving things ambiguous. If the kid has a good shot but was lacking in some particular area or they just ran out of ED recs. fine, just tell them that, if they needed more APs or they wanted to see grades on the APs, fine…if they wanted to see if her rank would go up-great–all that is feedback and it is simple human decency to give to an applicant who has been willing to LOCK themselves into a decision to go to your college. Just my opinion. I know she still very much wants to go there but I have to admit that while I never felt entitled to anything, just optimistic, I now feel just a tiny bit jaded, fortunately my D does not suffer from my immaturity, and for that matter will not post on CC as is intensely private. I swore I would not post here any further as I am a parent, but this extension just sort of adds a bit to the sting of the deferral more-now ironically it could be a good thing as it could mean they way under estimated the URM pool in RD round and if that is the case, NEVER MIND. :)</p>