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<p>Vyse: Look over your arguments in this thread and compare them to mine. I have given factual evidence (with some coming from a person who recruited WITH Goldman Sachs), and you have given evidence from one person who FELT that his background at A&M contributed to his acceptance at Harvard. You are beyond hope if you cannot see why my arguments are actually significantly more substantive.</p>
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asserting that you're better than everyone because of the name of your school.
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<p>Not once in this thread have I said this. Can you make a single argument without attributing to me statements that I never rendered? </p>
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I wouldn't hire you.
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<p>Too bad you will never be in the position to make those decisions.</p>
<p>Oh please. You've made tons of snide remarks about how dim we are based on nothing more than opposition to your beliefs that the only way to a top career is through a top school.</p>
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Doesn't change the fact that we are highly recruited.
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<p>So your liberal arts schools majors are more attractive than mine. Great, if you wanna major in liberal arts, the try and get into an ivy. My premise was that you should pick the school best fit for you, and that Ivies arent always the best fit. In my case, turning down the chance to attend a top state school and study business for next to nothing would have been sheer lunacy. Maybe you did what was best for you. If so, here's a pat on the back. Just be happy with your decision, and dont try and justify it to yourself by being an arrogant jerk to everyone who decided to take a different path. Your thinly veiled defense mechanisms aren't fooling anyone.</p>
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<p>And what says that he won't be? Going to a top school may make it easier to get a foot in the door, but which school you attended doesn't mean crap after your first job. The work you do and the people you meet is what matters at that point.</p>
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You've made tons of snide remarks about how dim we are based on nothing more than opposition to your beliefs
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<p>Huh? It's not just that you are opposing my beliefs. I love disagreement. The problem is that your opposing beliefs have no justification. There is absolutely no reason involved. You're just staying things as fact and not substantiating them. IT is for that reason that I consider myself superior. Throughout this entire thread you have demonstrated your clear inability to provide a sound argument in favor of your position. You are just propounding statements, nothing more. Perhaps if you tried a little harder to support your dubious claims, I might respect you just that much more.</p>
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My premise was that you should pick the school best fit for you, and that Ivies arent always the best fit.
<p>Actually nspeds, our speaker made triple what the average Goldman Sachs employee working on Wall Street. My point was that his business education at texas A&M was a better catalyst for future success than a LA education at a "top" school would have been. </p>
<p>And another tip: Your arguments are tenuous enough already, but your ad hominems and regional chauvinisms manage to make your points seem even weaker.</p>
<p>I realize that perhaps you may feel that students at Georgetown are not necessarily better than your undergraduate school. While that is to be disputed, Georgetown students find it significantly easier to make it into the best firms. The best ones, one that recruit the most gifted individuals, most likely will only recruit in their - eyes as top places.</p>
<p>Being at a top school will give you significant advantages than from being one of a lesser known college. I go to a lesser known college, I've seen it's effects. </p>
<p>nspeds is right. Georgetown gets the better firms. Goldman Sachs does not toy around with recruiting and has chosen to hire at only specific places. </p>
<p>A person's ambition will ultimately result in where they end up, but a top school will for a fact, get you there faster.</p>
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texas A&M was a better catalyst for future success than a LA education at a "top" school would have been.
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<p>That he FELT that what does NOT mean it was ACTUALLY that way. I hope you are not dumb enough to see the distinction.</p>
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<p>I haven't delivered a single ad hominem in this thread. An ad hominem attack is when a conclusion is drawn from an attack against someone. I may have attacked you, but I did not draw a single conclusion from it.</p>
<p>Wow, you don't even know what an ad hominem is.</p>
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<p>Huh? I'm from Texas, and my dream school for a long time was Rice. I don't care about any specific region. You know nothing about me.</p>
<p>Tufts-The last degree is the most important one. Ambitious students at "lesser" known schools with good graduate school placement hardly are in tough situations.</p>
<p>All I ever said is that it's ridiculous to think that top schools are the only schools highly recruited by employers...and you seem to think that the only decent careers are located on Wall Street. </p>
<p>Yeah, ok...you're so much better than I am.</p>
<p>I have to wonder why working for a top company in Texas makes someone inferior to someone working for a top company in New York. Same career, different regions. Stop being such a prick.</p>
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Ambitious students at "lesser" known schools with good graduate school placement hardly are in tough situations.
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<p>Yeah... too bad students from top schools significantly outnumber students from regular schools in top graduate schools. I mean... the fact that you are applying from a regular school doesn't place you at a disadvantage at all when it comes to grad school admissions (Believe me, it does).</p>
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That he FELT that what does NOT mean it was ACTUALLY that way. I hope you are not dumb enough to see the distinction.
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<p>That sentence doesn't even make sense. YOU made the distinction! If I saw the distinction, and was therefore dumb for seeing it, wouldnt the person who made the distinction be dumb as well?</p>
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An ad hominem attack is when a conclusion is drawn from an attack against someone. I may have attacked you, but I did not draw a single conclusion from it.
<p>Ambition is by far the most important aspect of this argument. </p>
<p>This is why I feel that students should pick the top colleges if given the option. Being as a lesser known college, for me, Bentley, I have tried numerous attempts at getting an internship this summer. I've sent out over thirty applications, (will be approximately 35 by tomorrow.) I have not heard back from many. I am a freshman which is a negative aspect, but I cannot help but think how many would have responded were I from a Top25 College -. </p>
<p>Ambitious students should realize that their careers will be jeopardized for a few years, there is a very high risk of them spending significantly more time on looking for a job, whereas they could have other uses for such time. People will make judgments as to where a certain person's undergraduate is - that cannot be ignored.</p>
<p>What is the case in "common language" is not necessarily the case in logic. Take this from a person focusing in logic: you don't know what the fallacy is. For every dictionary entry you can give, I can provide you with five publish texts that support my interpretation, texts that are widely believed to be the founders of informal fallacies.</p>
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That sentence doesn't even make sense. YOU made the distinction! If I saw the distinction, and was therefore dumb for seeing it, wouldnt the person who made the distinction be dumb as well?
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<p>Okay, I'll put this in terms that regular students can understand:</p>
<p>I feel like the world is going to end today. Does that mean that the world WILL ACTUALLY end today? Heck no.</p>
<p>I feel like my undergraduate background contributed to my acceptance at Harvard. Does that mean it ACTUALLY did? Heck no. Did he speak to the admissions committee after getting accepted? Did he read his file?</p>
<p>katho11, you're right in the sense that the best firms are not merely the ones that a traditional sense of what i assume to be. The lucrative financial sector is not for everyone, yet, however it is by far the best compensated, it is also one of the most challenging of lifestyles and choices. It's why I make a judgment that I wish I were at a top25 LAC to make it easier for me to enter such financial institutions.</p>
<p>If you had statistics showing that 500 kids from A&M applied with near identical stats as those from top schools and only 3 got in, you'd have something there...but just saying, "Golly gee, Harvard admitted more Harvard kids into their law program! Looky there!"...not so much.</p>