EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: I need an answer ASAP

<p>Can you guys think of any ways of pursuing music outside of school?</p>

<p>The problem is that I may have to drop band for a year, and then rejoin the next year. But I still want to show that I did stuff even in the year that I wasn't in band. So do you guys know of some activities that I may be able to pursue outside of school to show my commitment? </p>

<p>I NEED TO KNOW ASAP cause i need to tell my counselor tomorrow to quit band. PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE. I have won a state award in band. Would quitting band for a year, but rejoining band next year look really bad? Would it make the award seem less prestigious? I have to drop band to take an AP class because if I don't my ranking will most likely go from being 14/1000 to being around 35/1000.</p>

<p>What seems like the better option for colleges like MIT, Rice, Caltech, etc.... to stay in band and have my ranking go down to show consistency, or to ave my ranking possibly go up a few ranks and have a break? </p>

<p>Please guys i am counting on you all.</p>

<p>Is this a joke? If you like band, then of course, stick to it!</p>

<p>wouldn't dropping like 20 ranks make a bigger difference in my chances to top schools?</p>

<p>i think top schools want you to take what you like</p>

<p>It will be worse when they find out you're only dong things you think will look good on your resume.</p>

<p>So basically dropping band for a year, but then rejoining it the next year doesn't seem like a great option?</p>

<p>i don't think so</p>

<p>u don't think that it is a great option? or u do think it is a great option?</p>

<p>i wouldn't do it for one course-i'm ending up having to give up orchestra my senior year b/c if i took orchestra i would only be able to take only physics B as my science, whereas if i drop it, i can take physics c, ap chem, and organic chem together. also, i'm prbly still going to play with the chamber group so mbe try to work something like that out with your director. also, i'm more passionate about science than music especially after coming back from governor's school in the sciences.</p>

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I have to drop band to take an AP class because if I don't my ranking will most likely go from being 14/1000 to being around 35/1000.

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You're doing it for your <em>ranking</em>? (And only a slight drop in ranking, at that.) And not because this AP class is terrific, the best thing since sliced bread, and there's no way you could ever self-study the AP material in as excellent a way as taking this one class for which you have to drop band, which you've been participating in for years and won state awards for? Sigh....</p>

<p>Please read this post from the esteemed benjones (Ben Jones, of MIT Admissions) from Oct. 2005, from the "Whoever has the most APs wins" thread, and then see if that helps you make your decision. </p>

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<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=1278678#post1278678%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=1278678#post1278678&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>well, I want to take AP European history for two reasons: increase my rank, and to learn the historical part of AP Euro History. I lived in Paris, France for two years. Consequently, it would be interesting to learn about the places I visited.</p>

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and to learn the historical part of AP Euro History

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<p>no. way.</p>

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<p>medicalmania17 -- don't take offense at this, because I can imagine myself making a very similar post back in high school, but I would suggest that you cease to be a tool as quickly as you possibly can. Don't think so much about your precise ranking or whether doing X or Y will make some award seem "less prestigious". Focus on doing what you most enjoy and which you feel will make your mind bigger and more interesting. A cowed mind always aiming at what seems to please others (or worse, amorphous admissions departments, which aren't as consistent as individuals) will never produce anything good, not even a good college application. Assert some individuality and be a person, not a drone whose function in life is to maximize the probability of getting-into-MIT (or Caltech or whatever). Then you will likely write a much more interesting application and stand a much better chance.</p>

<p>Now, for everyone who is nodding along at these nice words, please note that it's much easier to say and believe them after getting into the college of your choice.</p>

<p>I recommend taking AP Euro and band.</p>

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Originally Posted by benjones
When I was on the road, kids asked me repeatedly whether or not they should take a given AP class.</p>

<p>"Well," I'd respond, "would you be taking it because you genuinely want to, or simply because you think it will get you into college?"

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<p>Except sometimes the choice is not so clear. I faced a similar situation as medicalmania back in junior year, when I was deciding between not taking AP Physics C and taking a bio class, or taking AP Physics C and taking two years of spanish (I had already taken 3 years of french). I chose the latter, and suffered for two years in a spanish class (and had a long sequences of B-'s in that class when I applied to MIT). I did however love Physics. I took it because I wanted to understand how the world works. But I also knew in my mind that taking the course would keep me competetive in my school. But I also ended up being the class dunce and joker in spanish. Seriously you would not imagine the kid sitting in the back corner who spends all class slowly tugging on the blinds to make them go up and down, drawing on the chalkboard slowly, and trading high fives with his friend next to him for the 68 = ALMOST PASS he just got on his last test would be going to MIT. :)</p>

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You're doing it for your <em>ranking</em>? (And only a slight drop in ranking, at that.) And not because this AP class is terrific, the best thing since sliced bread, and there's no way you could ever self-study the AP material in as excellent a way as taking this one class for which you have to drop band, which you've been participating in for years and won state awards for? Sigh....

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<p>Except the ranking does matter for many other schools, and possibly for scholarships. </p>

<p>What I am getting at is that there is a lot of merit in doing things that lie orthogonal to your "passions." There is merit in grinding through integrals and textbooks, in reading through thousands of pages of biology, in dull work. It builds character to sometimes put aside what you like to/want to do, and do what you have to do to get where you want to go. It's a type of delayed gratification. </p>

<p>My passion is trying to develop strong artificial intelligence. But that doesn't mean I'm following that. Instead I've recognized that I've got to force myself to read through thousands of pages of dense math and science texts, carefully. I have to wait a few years and take a couple courses before I can really get into the field of AI. Do I have fun reading through these dense textbooks in my spare time? Of course not (and I'm already in college, so don't give me the "trying to get into a good school" crap). If I wanted to have fun, I would go watch a movie, ride my bike or play video games.</p>

<p>Of course, this doesn't apply as harshly to this situation since it's band vs. AP Euro. But for many other situations, remember what JFK said: "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."</p>

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Now, for everyone who is nodding along at these nice words, please note that it's much easier to say and believe them after getting into the college of your choice.

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<p>And of course, Ben Golub is correct again. Damn Caltech.</p>

<p>Doing something pretty much solely because it will improve your class rank from top 3.5% to top 1.4% out of a class of 1000, is never something I would encourage. Clearly others feel differently. Ranking may matter at some schools, but this is splitting hairs.</p>

<p>If this were a case of someone who loved "grinding through integrals" and as a result decided it was the right thing to give up a long-time band participation in favor of an advanced or AP math class, that would be a different question. What we have here is someone who is looking at giving up band for AP Euro, not because he's passionate about European History but because he wants to improve his class rank from roughly top 4% to top 2%. Not a parallel situation, and I stand by my sigh.</p>

<p>What makes you think you will get an A in AP Euro? Did you even like band to begin with? Do you think Caltech or MIT would accept you with a rank of 14 if they won't accept you with a rank of 35?</p>

<p>Look- though the tirades about following your dreams can get tiresome and seem sometimes (I agree w/ differential) aggravatingly naive, there's some merit to it. All the personal benefits aside it at least cushions the fall. Chances are you're not going to get into your dream school. So when you don't get into that dream school of yours, looking back, are your years of high school just a pile of broken rubble? a complete waste of time? Do you hear the screeching tires of your life grinding to a halt?</p>

<p>Look. You just see it too often- people pinning it all on one or a few chance events. Here, in their own way, posters are just trying to warn against that. No matter how much you want, hope, or deserve it, some things are just a matter of luck, and sadly, one of those things is getting into really selective schools (like the ones you listed). It's good to go for it; don't bet it all. </p>

<p>Sure, you can't strut through life as a 3 year old doing only the things that suit your fancy and you will need to make sacrifices eventually, but do make sure that you understand all facets of any decision you're making. Though it's good to plan ahead you should avoid having unreasonable expectations and warped perceptions of the effects of these small decisions. A school that will reject you with a rank of 35 and a band extra-curricular will not hesitate to reject you with a rank of 14 and an A in AP Euro History. </p>

<p>"Which looks better to schools?"<br>
Um, neither. Both?</p>

<p>So how do you decide between the two options- decide like this. Look into the future and see that you've been rejected by both schools. What are you glad you spent your time doing?</p>

<p>My son had to drop band his senior year to make everything work...but they helped give him the nudge out the door when they told him he wouldn't be excused from a pre-UIL (not even the real thing) marching event to take the Oct SAT. He got into MIT (matriculating) and a couple other great schools.</p>

<p>But my point is: dropping out of band is not the end of the world in how your extracurriculars are viewed - especially if you can articulate a passion for music in one of the application's short answers. But yes, temper this with a proper motivation - you don't want to become an application slut!</p>

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...I lived in Paris, France for two years. Consequently, it would be interesting to learn about the places I visited...

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<p>:) you know I calculated the amount of time I have spent in a certain
room over the years and oh its been a big chunk out of my young
life....somehow i do not see myself saying ...."gotta go research em
toilets"......:eek:...</p>

<p>....but I see what you mean.....now that I dwell upon it....there is a
certain curiosity lacking in me....hmmm....</p>

<p>...it is not that I am comparing AP Euro to offal but it is not like
you are giving up Calculus or fun Mechanics.....:D</p>

<p>well an option that I just found out about is that I could quit my school band for this year, but then I could join my community band. Also, I could still participate in the Solo and Ensemble contest even if I quit band. Now does quitting band seem like a better option since I am still doing band related EC's outsid eof school?</p>