<p>I've searched for the answer, and I just haven't found it. Is there an income level above which there is definitively no hope for aid thru FAFSA?</p>
<p>(I am aware that some schools want a FAFSA filed even to be considered for talent or merit scholarships, and that filing a FAFSA is required for certain loans. But that's not my question.)</p>
<p>I simply want to know: How much income is simply too much to qualify for need-based aid?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Well, Stafford loans are available for ALL students. The only grant money offered by FAFSA is the Pell Grant. Okay, I think there are some smaller grants as well, but they usually total less than $1000. The ceiling for the Pell Grant is an EFC of about $4700, which translates to an income around $40,000.</p>
<p>Thanks, but not exactly what I’m asking. I know it’s a sensitive question, and perhaps this is why nobody wants to answer:</p>
<p>Is there an income level at which there is no point filing the FAFSA because no NON-loan financial aid will be granted?</p>
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There is really no definitive answer to your question. The FAFSA generated EFC is based on a combination of income, assets, size of family, number of college students in that family. It can be affected by the source of the income (income from work gets allowances that income not from work does not), the state the applicant is from (each state is given different allowances in the EFC formula), the amount of federal tax paid etc etc. Student A may have the same family income as student B but may come out with a way different EFC because he comes from a family of 5 with 3 in college, while Student B comes from a 2 person family with just 1 in college. </p>
<p>Also the aid is based on things other than the EFC generated by FAFSA. As you know FAFSA itself does not give you any aid. The aid is awarded by the school. If you have an EFC of 20,000 and the school costs 18,000 then there will be no need based aid. If you have an EFC of 20,000 and the school costs $45,000 then there may be some aid (if the school provides institutional aid, at that EFC there would be no federal grant aid).</p>
<p>As far as federal grant aid is concerned the main federal grant is the Pell. For 2009-2010 the EFC cut off for the Pell was 4617. That would require a fairly low income. But student A with a family of 5 and 2 in college might have that low an EFC with a parent income of $70,000 while Student B with a family of 2 and only 1 in college might have to have a parent income of $40,000 or less to get that low an EFC.</p>
<p>Thank you so much. That’s very helpful.</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s a sensitive question, just an impossible one for generalization. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford will give aid to some families making $200K/yr. Most schools will offer little to anyone making 6 figures. Others practice enrollment management and give discounts to all they know will be comparing their cost to the local state school’s.</p>
<p>And as the above poster said, assets play a big role too.</p>
<p>The one generalization that seems to work is that without exceptional assets, most EFC’s seem to be one-quarter to one-third of AGI for the middle class and up. Then consider that most schools don’t meet need anyway.</p>
<p>swimcatmom, your message box is full.</p>
<p>So…just for the sake of the OP’s question…</p>
<p>Say a family has an EFC of $100k (because they have a very high income/assets/whatever) and only 1 student in college.</p>
<p>That one student can still file a FAFSA and qualify to take out a $5500 Stafford loan right? but it will be unsubsidized, right? or wrong?</p>
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Wrong. Depends on the cost of the school. The subsidized loan is awarded if there is ‘need’. If the EFC is $30,000 and the school COA is $35,000 then there is ‘need’ of $5,000 so the student may get part as a subsidized loan. If the EFC is 30,000 and the school COA is $28,000 then there is no ‘need’ so the loan would have to be unsubsidized.</p>
<p>swimcat…</p>
<p>I gave a scenario where the family has an EFC of $100k and one student in college. No college has a COA that exceeds $100k, therefore my question stands. There would be no need, so the $5500 Stafford loan would be unsub. Right? :)</p>
<p>oops - I read it as income of $100k. </p>
<p>There must be ‘need’ for there to be a subsidized loan. If there is no financial need then there is no subsidized loan. Only unsubsidized. Unsub is available whatever the EFC </p>
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Yet!! The max FAFSA EFC is 99,999 - probably was an outrageous amount relative to college cost when it was set at that. They may have to increase that sooner rather than later with the way college costs are going up :rolleyes: Wonder how many years it will be before some school goes over $100k a year. I think I read some schools are up at $55k+ this year. Crazy. Thankfully I’ll be well past college stuff (and a lot of other stuff) but I expect it will happen in my lifetime (unless I meet an untimely demise). I hate to imagine what college will cost for, my as yet to be born, grandkids.</p>
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<p>I am in college right now. I will have kids in college probably in 25 years (ish). It would NOT surprise me in the least if they hit that point. My parent’s generation paid around $40/credit hour at the school I’m at, I pay around $350. I wonder if I could find out what their total COA was…</p>
<p>Then again, there may be a backlash on universities because people can’t pay $55k and part of the reason that sticker price keeps going up is because they need to keep giving out more and more financial aid. Eventually, something’s gotta give, no? (Although, maybe not. Universities tend to not run like any other business in our country so they are quite tricky to make typical predictions about.)t</p>
<p>As posted by others…the max EFC is $99,000 which (right now) exceeds the annual cost of attendance for undergrads everywhere (that I know of). However, even IF your EFC exceeds the COA at a school, you can still take out an unsubsidized Stafford loan by completing the FAFSA.</p>
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<p>I did answer that question. The government does not grant non-loan financial aid to any income over a max of $60,000 (the very highest you can have for the Pell Grant). Now some schools will, obviously, and some of them require the CSS/PROFILE.</p>
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<p>That doesn’t even quite work because of the number of students in college could drive an $80,000 income down to a low enough efc to qualify.</p>
<p>Comes back to there really is no income limit and there are no simple rules that apply in all circumstances.</p>
<p>I think it would be safe to say that if you have a highish income - say over $80k - and you only have one child in college, you won’t get federal aid - except for loans.</p>
<p>thank you, guys. I meant non-loan financial aid from the school, though - 80k is really the “cutoff”? I was told people with incomes up to 200k (depending on assets, debts/expenses, children in college, etc.) have received financial aid. Which I why I was curious what the “ceiling” was. </p>
<p>Also is where you live taken into account? 80K in LA or NYC is about the same as 40K in other cities.</p>
<p>Hi jazz/shreddermom! I know you have posted on the USC forum, so I’ll chime in - from personal experience, I can say that someone with $80,000 income and “typical assets” would vey likely get university-grant aid at USC. We received a very attractive package at that approximate income level making USC more affordable than a UC (in-state). When we were hit with unemployment and our income went down the following year, the aid for the second year was even better.</p>
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<p>As with all financial aid, nothing is absolute lol. I knew a family with an income of around 85k, but had 4 kids in college. They did qualify for Pell Grant (but BARELY). Oy vey for set rules. I say to be completely safe, no income over 500k would get federal financial aid 
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<p>Debts don’t count. Say 200k gives you a EFC of 50k (which is pushing it, I’m assuming it would be MUCH higher). Since 50k > than almost any COA, there would be no need. Now take that and assume 3 in college, the EFC for each would be around 16-17k. Since that is lower than some COA, one could get aid. However, no federal non-loan aid that I am aware of. Also, I doubt very much that the UC system in their financial crisis would see someone with 200k income as having “need”. </p>
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<p>Nope. That would be incredibly complicated and many see where you live as a choice (whether it is or not is debatable).</p>
<p>Jazzmom, it’s not so simple as “income” it’s income and assets. Figure out your estimated EFC and that will give you a pretty clear idea. We have low income and high assets because we are within nano seconds of retirement so our EFC is high even thougoh our “income” is low. It’s not a “sensitive” question at all. EFC is EFC. If your EFC is higher than the cost of attendence, well, you have your answer and whether or not you file to receive the Stafford is up to you and also if the college requires the FAFSA to disburse merit aid. You would need to ask the institution. Your personal cash flow is not a consideration at FAFSA schools. Everyone can take out a Stafford loan, unsubsidized. If your EFC is lower than cost of attendence each school will vary on whether or not you will get aid. That is why posters talk so much about meeting need and gapping. Profile colleges take a much closer look at income and assets and factor in more family information than FAFSA only schools. Profile colleges are “less easy” to understand what your package “might” look like in my opinion. So income again is not the sole determiner. It is income and assets. The calculators are pretty accurate for FAFSA EFC. The calculators for Profile schools are pretty accurate but how the colleges disburse based on the info is less obvious in my opinion.</p>