“You are still assuming the story is true as reported by a self-described satirist?”
Sure. Why wouldn’t it be (reasonably) true? Everyone wants safe zones these days; so it stands to reason that people who want safe zones might be in favor of turning over the First Amendment.
^To me this reads like a joke. However, I don’t know if it is one. 
most elite colleges tend to be on the liberal side but there are differences amongst them. it is safe to say Yale is rather at the extreme end of that spectrum.
I really only wanted to talk about irony.
Here is my attempt to refocus here: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/18/sadness-shame-and-blame-at-yale-over-first-amendment-repeal-video.html
Looks like Horowitz’s video has caused some soul-searching at Yale.
Zekesima: In your link yesterday with the Yale Law Prof, there was a statement Yale had declined to respond to Fox about the video. I have been unable to find any official response. Has anyone else? Everything I see is based on the Fox video and picked up as though it is a real news story. I see no evidence of soul-searching at Yale as a result of the video. It could be happening, but nothing you have posted leads me to that conclusion without making a bunch of huge leaps to get there.
@fenwaypark “Do you think the hypothetical abolishment of the First Amendment (as the petitioner cited in the OP was soliciting for) would mean we could not speak or write?”
No, but it means that we could be fined or jailed because of what we speak, write, publish, profess, and for our associations.
alh–In the first few paragraphs, Yale students expressed dismay and shame over the video. The official spokesman seemed to be in CYA mode over it, though, and dismissed it as heavily edited prank material.
It should cause some soul searching. That is how the system is supposed to work in a University. Someone puts forth a premise, in this case the repeal of the 1st amendment, and then the community bats it back and forth. I seem to be off in my own little corner on this, but I don’t see anything either surprising or particularly concerning about this video. As someone intimated up the thread, we are talking about fifty signatures out of a potential population of some 12 thousand or so? In any large group of people yo can find some tiny subset that believe just about anything I would think. The only thing surprising here to me is why so many of you don’t see the natural progression of the SJW culture at work in this type of attitude.
^^Yes, but 50 signatures in 60 minutes suggests the possibility of widespread approval for such an idea.
Maybe. Or maybe the swift reaction to the video suggests that people who hold these types of views are a small albiet vocal minority. Let the debate play out at Yale and hopefully other schools. It would be refreshing.
“Could be”?
We can be now. Why don’t you see pornography on CBS? Tried shouting “fire” in a crowded theater recently? Time, manner and place are–currently–regulated.
People can try to paint these issues as banning all guns or punishing people for speaking–but the issue really comes down to the appropriate level or balance point of regulation, I think
I don’t think the desire to limit hateful speech in social/work/school situations has anything to do with limiting free speech in the town square. So there is absolutely zero natural progression to me. When we instituted workplace prohibitions against harassment, the world didn’t suddenly fall apart. There were no petitions to repeal any amendments.
One person has the right in the town square to say something ugly.
A second person has the right to shout her down.
Society regulates a lot of nasty speech by shaming it.
This is not particularly interesting to me, though I respect and appreciate it is to many of you.
I truly am interested in what we are supposed to teach our kids about irony.
There is still nothing in the Yale Daily News about the video.
So you are drawing a distinction between a university and the town square? Or are you saying there is no obvious linkage between a professor saying she “needs some muscle over here” to remove a journalist from a public space, the attempted defunding of a student newspaper that runs an editorial allegedly critical of the Black Lives Matter movement, etc and the idea that some people on college campuses believe the First Amendment should be repealed?
Do you have anything other than that Fox video as evidence that “some people on college campuses believe the First Amendment should be repealed”?
I can’t take that video seriously. As Zekesima wrote in the first post “unbelievable” but if you guys want to believe it and worry about it, I support your right to do so.
So this is a who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes situation?
Maybe the simplest explanation is that I don’t find the video as shocking as others do, for the reasons I have outlined. So given that, I would need something more than “it’s from Fox so it must be a fake” to doubt that what is in the video actually happened.
It’s certainly possible it was edited, but as of yet we haven’t seen that any students are stepping forward to claim they were mislead into signing that petition. Secondly, I think Ohiodad51 makes a good point that this sort of thing is completely consistent with all the protests on campuses. After all, the focus has been more on making campuses “safe places” and “homes” rather than places of challenging intellectual discourse.
I never wrote that I questioned it because it was on Fox. I wrote that I questioned it because it was made by someone describing himself as a satirist and and asked if his “on the street” videos were supposed to be real news or just entertainment, but no one responded. I am on a completely different thread than everyone else still posting here. I have written nothing negative about Fox.
ETA: nor about the video maker, but I’m not looking up his name again because I am getting tired
Maybe I am dense, but I still don’t get the distinction. Why would it matter if the guy intended this to be “news” or entertainment? Either the events depicted on the video occurred or they did not. We can debate what it means, but unless there is some evidence the video was doctored, it seems obvious what occurred
“I can’t take that video seriously. As Zekesima wrote in the first post “unbelievable” but if you guys want to believe it and worry about it, I support your right to do so.”
A Yale Constitutional law professor and several Yale students believe the video is legit.