https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PknvApdz5e8
This is super embarrassing for such an elite institution like Yale. Is this really what the intellectual environment is like there?
Yale has always been one of my top 3 choices(gonna apply to colleges next year), but between this and the crazy protests this year i am seriously reconsidering. Any insights as to what the environment is like at Yale with respect to free speech, respect for others opinions’ ?
While I don’t doubt that some (many?) students signed this, some perhaps in jest, some not, I REALLY would like to see the unedited film. It is hard to know how many people ignored him, said no, questioned him, etc. Unedited “gotcha” videos need to be take with a very large grain of salt. But of course, anyone signing this with sincerity is misguided to say the least.
Read more here. Much speculation about editing, and perhaps hired actors.
I’d like to see the signatures. A lot of them might be names like Seymour Butts.
As a new admit, hearing things like this are mildly worrisome, but the press has such a strong power to spin stories that I’m dubious as to how true this is. Anyone intelligent enough get into Yale should have a basic understanding of our country’s constitutional underpinnings and shouldn’t be so quick to waive their rights.
If true - very disappointing.
If false - shame on the media. Per the usual.
Just my two cents.
Not to mention that Fox News is famous for its incredibly inaccurate reporting, especially when it comes to attacking the ideas of the political left.
I believe the second shot (teacher preventing the press from entering campus) was filmed at Mizzou, not Yale. It’s hard to believe anything else that follows as a result.
The following is a Facebook post from one of the students featured in Mr. Horowitz’s video, which tells the story behind it differently. I am not a friend with this student - another parent whose kid is Facebook friend with the student sent me a screen capture, so I just re-typed to share his post here - I hope it is okay with him, but I absolutely think it is necessary to get his words out:
"This video just came to my attention, and my immediate reaction is outrage and frustration. i was asked about this petition and have been included in this video, but what Mr. Horowitz has presented is a blatantly false narrative of actually occurred. It is clear to me that this is an intentional misrepresentation, with the purpose of advancing a political agenda and narrative. When I was coming out of the dining hall, a friend and I were stopped by this man, who asked if we could spare a few minutes to talk. Both of us being in a rush, didn’t want to engage in a debate, so when he said he wanted to REPEAL THE FIRST AMENDMENT, I had absolutely no interest in being lectured by a crazy man in the middle of reading week and finals. So, thinking he was just a crazy guy with a clipboard and not a man with camera, I told him, “This is fantastic, I absolutely agree. I don’t agree with your approach however, but I appreciate what you are doing here. Good luck.” Then I walked away. My hope was that by showing tacit support for his position, he wouldn’t follow me or insist that I stay and debate him.
Now this is not what the video shows. Of course in the video, they have conveniently left out when I said I disagreed with his approach (i.e. to repeal the first amendment…). The editing of the video deliberately misconstructs what happened, and I am positive that Mr. Horowitz is very cognizant of this. In fact, it clearly seems to be his objective: to push his narrative. While I can only speak for myself, I am very compelled to believe that a similar twisting of the truth was done for the 3 second soundbites he has of the other people in the video… I am disgusted with the way that Horowitz has taken my words and negated my position just so he can rack up the views on a video and bait an audience into believing what he is selling. What I find most upsetting though, is that this video is featured on the FRONT PAGE of Fox News. How dare you, this is not only shameful, but false journalism".
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that Faux News would participate in such a thing. Shameful, willful, beyond despicable.
Btw, where did OP go?
yeah it has to be false, like this is way too far fetched and I didn’t know it was Fox News I just saw the video on is guy’s personal YouTube account.In any case, I am more I nterested in any insights about what the environment is like at Yale. Is it welcoming for non-super liberal people, are there places, ways to voice your opinion without being harassed by the student groups etc etc. I just have been getting a rather one-sided portrayal of Yale through the media given the recent events there and I was looking for any other insights.
@hamptsbeach, I think you’ll find that most private schools, especially in the NE and West Coast, lean to liberal. But, as in most things, it’s not 100%. It depends on whether you’re referring to fiscal conservative vs social conservative, what you consider harassment for conservative views, etc.
If you’re opposed to gay marriage, for example, I think you’ll encounter more impassioned disagreement than if you think the Fed has expanded its mandate unwisely.
You might want to check out the Yale Political Union. There are parties from many different viewpoints.
definitely as @IxnayBob says the ivies and most other top schools are on the liberal side. that said tho, there are variations amongst the schools. I feel Yale and Brown are prob the most liberal of the ivies. For example the Harvard Student Union rejected the attempt of the administration to issue a set of rules of what is acceptable to say or not:
(I have copy pasted the article cause you need a subscription to read it)
http://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-harvard-1450481604
From a Dec. 16 letter signed by 18 members of the Harvard Undergraduate Council (the administration issued an apology Wednesday night):
We, the undersigned representatives of the Harvard Undergraduate Council, write to express concern regarding the “Holiday Placemat for Social Justice” disseminated to the student body by the Harvard College Office for Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion.
That this poster was distributed by an office of the College gives the impression that the points it articulates are positions endorsed by the College and, more disturbingly, positions that the College thinks students should hold.
We reject the premise that there is a “right” way to answer the questions posed. We do not think the offices of the university should be in the business of disseminating “approved” positions on complex and divisive political issues. Prescribing party-line talking points stands in stark contrast to the College’s mission of fostering intellectual, social, and personal growth.
Some of us agree wholeheartedly with the points made in the poster; some of us do not. But regardless of our own views, we believe that the College and the Office for Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion should engage in the task of helping students to think and speak for themselves, not telling them what to think and what to say.
So as you can see the response of the Harvard student body was the exact opposite from the one of the Yale student body.
i would disagree with your characterizations of the protests this semester as “crazy” pretty heavily
here is a good article: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/10/yale_student_protests_why_they_are_the_campus_pc_wars_at_their_best.html
here is salovey’s response & announced initiatives in response to the protests: http://president.yale.edu/working-toward-better-yale