<p>All of you may want to join in on the discussion of placement of affirmative action threads on the CC forums. </p>
<p>Doesn't the school transcript include the Place of birth of the applicant? For me, they'd know for sure i'm chinese (i'm an immigrant), if they can't figure it out from my name</p>
<p>do they care if you're an immigrant or not?</p>
<p>I would say that in general, the private schools, especially the LACs, care about everything, about the whole applicant. In addition, an applicant may have a hook into a category, increasing the opportunity for admission.</p>
<p>Not everyone who is born in China is Chinese. I know plenty of examples.</p>
<p>wait, so if you're middle eastern, you're considered white???</p>
<p>According to the U.S. Census, yes. Middle Easterners and North Africans are white.</p>
<p>I personally despise it. I have religious believes which state that all men are created equal and that our races and genetic factors are merely physical traits which have nothing to do with the soul on the inside. I think the treatment of people differently on the basis of race alone is a very horrible thing. We're all God's children, and our race doesn't have anything to do with how well we're able to do in school, unless of course you believe that certain races are smarter than others and therefore we have to handicap.</p>
<p>Do you want our honest opinions or do you just want to display yours? Really?</p>
<p>My faith says that we're all God's children like yours but grace and mercy for those in need and even those who are undeserving ALWAYS trumps law and justice. How about 'dem apples?</p>
<p>If you want to read some peoples' "honest" opinions, see the thread "fastest growing ethincity" or something like that. All AA discussions get re-routed there.</p>
<p>I want to display mine and then folks counter. That's how a debate works. </p>
<p>And that's a thread over a 1000 posts, and there's a lot of discussion about it in factual terms there rather in opinion-terms.</p>
<p>Affirmative action on the basis of economics is the way to go.</p>
<p>No reason a well-to-do black kid should get in over a poor white kid with equal grades and that goes both ways </p>
<p>I think that there is a cycle of poverty that affects members of all races and I believe that Affirmative Action should be designed to combat that</p>
<p>Tzar09 for Senate '08!!!</p>
<p>We'd like to say went economics based affirmative action but there's the issue of competance. </p>
<p>It was an affirmative action engineering firm that built the part in the three mile island nuclear power plant which broke. </p>
<p>There has to be some way to insure we are helping the poor but only the poor that can handle the work.</p>
<p>if affirmative action is responsible for three-mile-island then gay marriage killed the dinosaurs </p>
<p>brother please....</p>
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There has to be some way to insure we are helping the poor but only the poor that can handle the work.
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Those who get in via aa tend to be qualified applicants who just happened to get in over another equally qualified candidate of a more 'common' race. They can handle the work.
For my opinion, socio-economic aa is the way to go, not race based aa.</p>
<p>Quick, tokenadult, Where are you? ;)</p>
<p>I know you say that all men are created equal, such as in terms of color. But when a person is treated inferiorly due to his color, how do you think that shapes one's experiences? Racism has NOT been eradicated in this country. </p>
<p>Also, I agree with the socioeconomic aspect of AA...but that's not where it ends. Every little thing, every factor, shapes you. Why include just money and not race? Does being black/white/purple/ etc. not shape you?</p>
<p>"money buys acceptance"</p>
<p>I feel like somebody famous once said that. </p>
<p>A wealthy minority student, with vetting like a member of the british aristocracy, will clearly have more opportunities than a white kid raised in the ghetto. If at the end of the day these two perspective students end up with comparable stats I believe it is clear who had to overcome more obstacles to get to where he or she got.</p>
<p>Go<em>Newt</em>Gingrich:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown-88.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown-88.html</a></p>
<p>Also, you need to get up to speed on this issue. Affirmative action is no longer used or justified as a way of making up for past discrimination. Today it is merely about creating diversity.</p>
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A wealthy minority student, with vetting like a member of the british aristocracy, will clearly have more opportunities than a white kid raised in the ghetto. If at the end of the day these two perspective students end up with comparable stats I believe it is clear who had to overcome more obstacles to get to where he or she got.
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<p>Yes, and I'm sure they compare the two because that's how applications are reviewed. They pair up students with same stats and see which one "suffered" more. They see minority - he clearly suffered more than the white kid. Oh yeah, that's how they do it. They don't look at each individually at all.</p>
<p>hey isnt that what this whole debate is about? Who gets in to a school with finite space? So yeah, when there are a group of kids who are barely just acceptable to the school and only some of them can get in...I do think that, under affirmative action they look at all these kids with similar creds and give preference to the affirmative action group over the other group.</p>
<p>Affirmative action by race alone is wrong, I think, but AA by socioeconomic status is the right idea. Context, context, context.</p>