<p>It's not even remotely close to "righting" a wrong at any level in that it almost looks like organizations are trying to whitewash centuries of racism based on skin color alone. Wanting "diversity" is just another way of colleges saying: "We want THIS percentage of THIS ethnicity so our stat charts and school pictures look equalish to the public."</p>
<p>I'm not even going to go into the debate about the national socio-economic status of top school URM applicants, and the place of over represented minorities in this scheme of things.</p>
<p>Anyway, my opinion on AA? It and the debate surrounding it are SEVERELY beaten dead horses... Where are the mods to move this thread? :/</p>
<p>Oh, and question: people on CC tend to favor socioeconomic-based AA over race-based AA-do any of you support gender-based AA? Do any of you support holistic admissions?</p>
<p>I don't have a problem with using ethnicity as a factor in admissions decisions, really. If ethnicity wasn't used at all, you can expect lopsided decisions and make it like 90% of one race, etc.</p>
<p>Sometimes AA may be unfair, but sometimes also you cannot really say they only got in because they were "X race" because as a whole, you cannot really know what those admission officers were looking at. Everything's unfair for some people if you look at it that way; for example I'm not rich and haven't got any benefits that they do. W/e. </p>
<p>I'm not an URM btw, and won't get an advantage because of my ethnicity.</p>
<p>I don't know, I think it may seem unfair but really it terms of promoting diversity and etc, it may be better overall as a whole. Also another thing, even if a URM may lack better test scores, grades, even EC's (although this is very hard to determine), the overall passion/message may be greater, etc. My point is that it's difficult to know what the admission officers think or want as a whole and so can't always say "Oh he's black so that's the only reason he got in."</p>
<p>I think it would be awful to go through life having people second-guess or diminis your accomplishments because you may have benefited from AA. Or, alternatively that because you're wealthy, that everything you achieved was because of your family connections and not your own hard work.</p>
<p>If I had to have surgery, I would probably search out the Asian doctor who got to where s/he is by hard work and knowing their stuff. I understand some may accuse me of being racist for this suggestion, but in the absence of AA, I would be open to having a surgeon of any race.</p>
<p>Is "good enough" to do the work but not necessarily the "best" or the "most hard working" enough when life or death is at stake?</p>
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I think it would be awful to go through life having people second-guess or diminis your accomplishments because you may have benefited from AA. Or, alternatively that because you're wealthy, that everything you achieved was because of your family connections and not your own hard work.</p>
<p>If I had to have surgery, I would probably search out the Asian doctor who got to where s/he is by hard work and knowing their stuff. I understand some may accuse me of being racist for this suggestion, but in the absence of AA, I would be open to having a surgeon of any race.</p>
<p>Is "good enough" to do the work but not necessarily the "best" or the "most hard working" enough when life or death is at stake?
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<p>My jaw literally dropped when I read this. Wow...just wow.</p>
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I also don't own enough pokemon games...i find that more than unfair.
<p>I'd like race to be considered with SE status. 85% of your class admitted strictly on merit. 15% admitted for merit + diversity purposes. Create a more well rounded class.</p>
<p>OP I share your beliefs but I also want to add that it isnt a view that we were created created equal but in fact we are created equal I mean we all have a brain, heart, lungs, etc. We are all generally the same on the inside. I dont believe college apps ask if you have some kind of medical disability.</p>
<p>why dont you pick your doctor based on recommendations and reputation....race clearly should not matter in your decision but where they went to med school should not too....lotta bad docs came out of a lotta good schools</p>
<p>Re: doctors, of course I look at recommendations and reputations too. Maybe its because I'm in Southern CA, but most of the specialists seem Asian anyway. </p>
<p>If someone receives an advantage for admissions for their undergraduate work, and then again when they pursue their graduate degree, and then again when they have their internships,... why should I assume that their work is as good? I would rather see someone who had no advantages. It has nothing to do with race but with AA.</p>
<p>Interestingly, when Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court, some people (on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me) questioned his credentials because of AA.</p>
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Re: doctors, of course I look at recommendations and reputations too. Maybe its because I'm in Southern CA, but most of the specialists seem Asian anyway.</p>
<p>If someone receives an advantage for admissions for their undergraduate work, and then again when they pursue their graduate degree, and then again when they have their internships,... why should I assume that their work is as good? I would rather see someone who had no advantages. It has nothing to do with race but with AA.</p>
<p>Interestingly, when Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court, some people (on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me) questioned his credentials because of AA.
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<p>I didn't think you could make me drop my jaw, again!
Wow...did you even read some of the comments?</p>
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^The black doctor received the same medical education as the asian doctor.
<p>Do you have this reaction (jaw dropping) whenever someone voices an opinion different from your own? </p>
<p>Diversity comes in many forms. It can be in thought, not just race, ethnicity, and socio-economics.</p>
<p>Yes, I read the one posting that said "a black doctor received the same medical education as the asian doctor." They may have taken the same class, but because of AA, without other evidence (e.g. recommendations and reputation), I will wonder if the black doctor worked as hard or did as well in that class. </p>
<p>I believe it is human nature to do as much work as you need to do to reach your goals. If my S knows he can earn an acceptable grade by skating by, he's going to skate by, he's not going to study harder.</p>
<p>Agent of Sense, just because I've read the same things as you have, doesn't mean we're going to reach the same conclusions.</p>
<p>Well then, that's just plain prejudice. Why would you wonder if the black doctor worked as hard or did as well and not the asian? If they took the same classes? If they received the same education?
If it's human nature to do the minimum amount of work, then are you saying asians aren't human? I think they are, so they would share the same mentality towards work, just as any black person. </p>
<p>Also, I'm not the kind of person who would just "skate by." People are just different. Don't generalize. It's not human nature. It's a choice.</p>
<p>BTW this I know it's all opinions, but it's nice to just you know discuss it with someone else who thinks differently. Don't take anything personal and I don't either. :)</p>