<p>I wonder why people have trouble realizing that yield rates fluctuate. The fact that it has stayed within a standard range shows that the scandal was not all that detrimental.</p>
<p>It really <em>hasn't</em> stayed "within a standard range" ... particularly when you consider that yield has been rising at most top elites. That quote is admissions double-speak.</p>
<p>40-41% versus 43%...not sure if the LaX scandal forced the two point drop, it could also be that Duke is accepting more top students and less not top students</p>
<p>Thing is, if it means that I get more students and more children of parents who can weigh the relative merits of different universities and end up deciding that the lacrosse case is truly not an indictment of an entire institution or an entire town, then I'm happy to have those students in my classroom.</p>
<p>The joy of the work done by Presidents Sanford, Brodie, Keohane, and now Brodhead is that Duke is the kind of place that an abundance of talented, hardworking, and thoughtful students want to work. That a "nationalized scandal" which received, really, a quite frightening scale of media attention ended up having a small an impact during the recruitment and selection period is in a way testomony to that work.</p>
<p>I agree with DukeEgr. If an applicant is the type of person to see an alleged incident that EASILY could have occurred at any institution in the country and use that as the sole reason not to come to Duke -- at the risk of sounding snotty -- I don't want him or her at my school anyway. If you've read my earlier posts, you'll know that when I stayed at Brown for a mere 3 weeks over one summer my best friend there was mugged and raped at gunpoint -- violence, crime, and rape happen everywhere. Intelligent students should be able to realize this.</p>
<p>I realize I probably come across as very stuck-up. I'm sorry about that. But it is true - I know some people whose decisions were affected by the incident, and they were people that I didn't really want to see coming to Duke anyway. Truth is, if people are going to be swayed so easily, they really weren't all that sold on Duke to begin with.</p>
<p>Byerly, dont you have anything better to do? All I've seen you do on any board except Harvard's is put down the school you're posting about, or put down its posters. Grow up or, in the least, get out.</p>
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<p>I have to wonder how yield could possibly rise everywhere else with this year's increase in applications, thanks to students applying to more and more schools.</p>
<p>I'd also be interested in evidence to back up your claim that it hasn't stayed within a reasonable range. And please be more careful than you were when dating that article on the AB Duke scholars. There's quite a difference between 1998 and 2005.</p>
<p>You obviously missed the second site, banana. The cross admit numbers have been fairly consistent over the years.</p>
<p>The elite pecking order is fairly rigid.</p>
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<p>Not suprising, since you edited your old post instead of making a new one. What, you just couldn't bear to keep the evidence of your mistake or acknowledge the correction? Chin up, it happens to everyone. Just take it in stride, like I'm about to.</p>
<p>I can say that on second glance (although not a glance at anything you've linked) it looks like admissions may have taken more of a hit than I thought. Still not a huge hit though, and considering how bad things could have been, I'm fine with that.</p>
<p>Now, even though I am truly sorry Harvard just isn't interesting enough to hold your attention anymore, I think they may be missing you over on that board.</p>
<p>Never underestimate the power of two Ivy-authored papers that do not mention Duke on a Duke thread. I guess. Though as a top-ten school, not sure we...erm...care.</p>
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<p>Heh. Good thing I screen which links I actually click on based on posted context, or in this case, lack thereof. If someone can't be bothered to say what's relevant in an article, then why should I be bothered to care? :p</p>
<p>Afraid that your prejudices might be shaken?</p>
<p>Well, they certainly weren't stirred...</p>
<p>Hard to do, given their rigidity!</p>
<p>Oh - you're accusing Duke people of being prejudiced. Of pre-judging. Ah. No - this would be post-judice. <em>plonk</em></p>
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<p>I'm curious to know what you think my prejudices are. Sure Harvard people are smart, but last I checked, they weren't psychic. :p</p>
<p>I mean, let's assume that this is outside of normal fluctuation, and that this is because of the lacrosse scandal. I don't think any of these are safe assumptions - we might just... well, have estimated incorrectly - but let's take those as given.</p>
<p>Of course the lacrosse scandal is going to affect us somewhat. They're only a part of our community, but the reality is that they are, in fact, part of us - and their own misbehavior combined with a lot of negative press is going to affect how we're perceived, at least somewhat.</p>
<p>If this hits us for a couple percentage points on our yield rate, then we take our relatively small hit and move on. Whoop dee do.</p>
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<p>Byerly, please tell me exactly what you believe and why. You've made repeated insinuations, copied and pasted some links, etc. etc., but you've never really outlined a clear argument. If you expect clear responses, you have to make a clear argument for yourself.</p>
<p>I am making no "argument" but merely presenting what I believe to be the facts, leaving the interpretation to others.</p>
<p>The "hit" seems have been larger than acknowledged; the reason for it is generally acknowledged; there is no reason to believe that the harm will be other than transitory.</p>
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<p>Well at least we can agree on that.</p>
<p>Still wanna know what my supposed prejudices are. Or are you afraid to be <em>gasp</em> wrong, again?</p>