Film Schools for Production as a Freshman

<p>My S is a junior interested in applying to Film Production programs. We are compiling a list of schools to investigate and to visit if possible. He only wants a program that will accept him into production as a Freshman. We have started a list but had to take a few off when we found out that they do not accept into the production programs-but require some prerequisites and then some application process into production.</p>

<p>On the list so far: USC, NYU, Chapman, FSU (Florida), UCF (Central Fla), Emerson, BU,Northwestern, UT Austin, Ohio State Honors Tutortial, American</p>

<p>Off the list based on above criteria: UC-Santa Cruz, San Diego State, UCLA</p>

<p>Does our list meet the criteria for admission directly into production? Any other suggestions?
Should we take any off the list?</p>

<p>You should look at Loyola Marymount’s film program. They’re ranked about 5th in the US for undergrad film programs, nice neighborhood in L.A., solid school, happy kids.</p>

<p>Based on your criteria I would rank the schools like this: </p>

<p>USC
NYU
Chapman and Loyola Marymount (tied)</p>

<p>In my opinion, there’s a big gap between USC and NYU. USC’s film school is beyond incredible and the film connections are beyond that. UCLA’s film school is also very good but you enter as a Junior so no guarantee for entering freshmen.</p>

<p>Best,
Wheaty</p>

<p>Not Ohio State, but Ohio University (different university) Honors Tutorial College (only HTC for freshman film production). Media Arts Video Production (both HTC and non-HTC) is open to freshmen.</p>

<p>Thanks for the suggestion- and correction!</p>

<p>And, if he applies to OU-HTC, he can apply to both majors (Film and Media Arts/Video Production). He may be accepted to one or both and then he can decide.</p>

<p>The majority of schools listed are primarily upper division programs. They are not geared for a freshman so you would be wasting your money for the first two years at such schools. If your son is serious and can handle living in California then he wants to get an AA in F/TV Production first. He would want to go to either SBCC’s or De Anza’s F/TV Production program. There is also the option of SMC’s Media Technology Academy but that is more geared to Film, Media Studies, and Animation. SDSU’s film program caters to set design primarily and is only decent. UCSC’s film program is crap as De Anza’s (one of the top animation (and film) programs in the county on an associates level) in Cupertino and Ohlone’s Film/TV/Broadcasting program in Fremont are the best in NorCal. (DVC’s is worth mentioning too)
SFSU’s is great but more upper division and think their TV/Radio/Film Broadcasting degree is better than their Production degree. UCLA’s program is Junior transfer only and you would need a top notch reel and F/TV AA for them to even attempt to look at you and even then is one of the most difficult to get into.</p>

<p>Kmazza- I think you may be mistaken about the first two years at most of the schools I listed. We were at NYU recently, and they assured us that production can start in the freshman year, and have communicated with admission officers or faculty at most of the others, who also state that if accepted into the production track (if there is one, such as at USC) you can start immediately. These schools all do require getting a broad liberal arts education in addition to taking film courses. That is what our son wants- he ultimately wants to make films, but wants to get a well rounded education on the way. So we are only looking at colleges or universities that offer (require) a set of distribution requirements outside of the film program. For someone who does not want that, your suggestions would work well. For us, a 4 year program which will provide him with depth in one field, but breadth in others is important. As one of the professors at NYU told him last week “when you make your films, you have to have something to say”. She advised him to study many things, so that when the time comes, his films will be intelligent as well as entertaining. As you point out however, some schools don’t allow you to do much in film the first two years. He doesn’t want that, either. So… we are looking for schools with distribution requirements, that also allow film production in the first year.</p>

<p>When I say “first two years” I’m primarily referring to STANDARDIZED US GENERAL EDUCATION requirements which is essentially LIBERAL STUDIES. If one goes to a school in some other country then that is different, but here in America EVERYONE is required to take basically these high school style extension classes. Those classes are the same everywhere and many times use the same textbooks as well. No matter what fancy dress a school calls a class, underneath that dress is essential the same. One cannot earn their AA or BA in the US without GE requirements which is very cut and dry.
The truth and reality of the matter here in California is if one chooses their classes and professors more accurately the instructors are typically better for the first two years at 2 year schools. In the program I am in we have the majority of the top ex-USC student turned professors that are better than what USC hired specifically for lower division. We also have one of the best ex-UCLA screenwriters plus other stronger faculty members than many of the top schools FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS. Now if money isn’t an issue and you want to spend an extra hundred thousand dollars for those first two years you are most certainly welcome to. I’m just letting you know how the educational system is set up here in California since I’ve either worked, attended classes, and/or hung out at many of these schools plus have worked in the industry. If you do not want to take my advice and are more concerned with influencing your sons decision then let him find out on his own. Personally I think its foolish to waste 50-100 grand on freshman and parent naivety but many educators already know how stubborn parents can be. If he wanted to make money doing film production while he was learning he would be better off with investing into a high quality pro-sumer or consumer camera and lens instead. The great thing about De Anza and SBCC is after you take F/TV production I, you are granted access to checking out gear in case the student doesn’t have their own.</p>

<pre><code>If you know anything about education today you would realize that all accredited schools have what they measure as SLO’s. In cynical realistic terms that basically means the instructor does not necessarily instruct anymore no matter where you go. They handle formalities and point you in the right direction and handle questions. Because of the self esteem education movement that happened in the 1970’s teachers are restricted to follow PC guidelines not to upset anyone or tell them they are wrong. Many of the ol school instructors scoff at it and expose it for what it is but many of the young teachers tend to reinforce it, even when not relevant to education and becomes more of social conditioning. Under the SLO system it is the students responsibility to now be self motivated to learn on their own. What happens is the majority of students do the minimal amount of work they feel necessary to get a grade near what they expect.
The young students who think they are merely clever and getting away with something actually hurt themselves in the long run. They think employers care about their grades or what school they went to over what they learned so do themselves a disservice and hinder their long term growth and are just not as employable.This is no different in film school no matter where one goes. California is an extremely modern high tech nearly socialist state in which the intricacies of partaking into the internal going on’s require a very steep learning curve that the majority of students just aren’t prepared for no matter where they went. Well over 80% of what a student will learn is really up to that individuals self motivation and thirst for knowledge. It just ends up that way but does separate those with just superficial surface knowledge from those who have breadth and depth.
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<p>The majority of Film Production students oftentimes lack the historic aspect of film in relation to business, technology, politics and art and all they are intertwined together through each movement. Many also lack the deep psychological and philosophical body of work attributed to film. That leaves schools left to trying to create good screenwriters but without the human and business aspect of employing and evoking philosophical and psychological devices much of the writing (and depth) is merely mediocre and the intended effect fails. Besides a small percentage of students that come to California many just don’t have what it takes to work in the film industry here. A know it all 21 year old 4 year college grad who spent more time consuming and criticizing film and worked on a few school projects is just not going to be able to compete with the more proletariat production crews and guild members of 25 years. It really is not a race and if going to a 2 year schools requires a few more production classes out of your son it would benefit him more in the long run as long as he keeps curious and interested. </p>

<p>USC’s core F/TV Production lower division consists only of:</p>

<p>CTCS 190 Introduction to Cinema 4
CTCS 200 History of the International Cinema I 4
CTCS 201 History of the International Cinema II 4
CTPR 241 Fundamentals of Cinema Technique
(taken concurrently with CTPR 242/290, CTWR 413) 2
CTPR 242 Fundamentals of Cinematic Sound 2</p>

<p>plus US standardized GE requirements. In fact USC has LESS lower division film appropriate liberal studies classes and electives than the strong 2 year F/TV programs. The best IGETC/GE track for F/TV Production would include…</p>

<p>Art History IV -Post Impressionist to Modern/Present for first Arts
Photography I - B/W for 2nd Arts or
Music Fundamentals I -for tentative 2nd Arts</p>

<p>Western Civ II - up to modern for humanities
Chemistry+lab - for science
Bio 1 - for Biology
Gen Psychology I - for first social/behavioral
Sociology I (or some social psyche class) for tentative 2nd s/b
plus
English 1+2
Math 1+2
US History 2 (but many schools like 1 as well)
Poli Sci 1
Speech 1 (for CSU but good to take anyways)
Philosophy - Critical Thinking</p>

<p>plus required</p>

<p>California Institutions requirement
multicultural requirement - better if film/lit related i.e. African American Cinema
2 PE or 1 PE and 1 Nutrition/Health class
1 Information Technology/Library Science class for teaching students how to research</p>

<p>and recommended
CIS I
Business I</p>

<p>there is also a lower division and upper division English and math requirement</p>

<p>I have already taken the equivalents of the USC core which are all transferable. What is not transferable to UC’s (CSU’s yes) and USC but worth taking for production training purposes and a part of the AA is…
Non-Linear Editing I
Cinematography/Lighting I
Directing I
Screenwriting I
Video Studio Production I</p>

<p>These classes won’t transfer in units but are considered completed so a can take level II in at least 3 of them. That basically means the California 5 year educational plan where the student spends 2 plus a 3rd year to earn a degree while prepping for junior status transfer. If not the student would have to do level I classes junior year and only do one level II production class to get a BA which I don’t necessarily agree with.
To give jobs to incoming young teachers and TA’s both USC (University of the Sexually Confused…j/k) and CSU’s make students take film based liberal studies classes like gender roles in film, queer film, women in film, gender stereotypes in film/tv etc. Now if that was part of the film studies that would be fine but such institutions make students take at least 2 of those over level II F/TV Production, Lighting, Sound, Directing etc. Those classes would benefit a Screenwriter but is completely useless for production and the business side of the film industry. There also is now very little way to get around needing to take these pathetic PC classes with little educational value unless go to UCLA’s F/TV production program. They will make students take at least one but preferably 2 more screenwriting classes plus take all the level II production classes. If your son knew what aspect of film best suits him I’d even recommend him taking at least two Intermediate/Advance level II classes during lower division. Also available 2 year lower division breadth sub-categorical classes that are transferable as electives are Film Genres and Film Directors. I took Film Genres: Noir but other rotating option examples are generally Action, Drama, Comedy, Horror, and Documentary. For example f he took Genres on lower division mostly he would take Directors for his upper division or just both and an extra depending on his interests.</p>

<p>Another good Freshman level IGETC/GE class to take that is very important to get out of the way early on is called under one of either Journalism/Mass/Comm/Media/Broadcasting 2 - Mass Media and Society.</p>

<p>A full time freshman UC transferable F/TV Production course selection should include (if quarter system)</p>

<p>Intro to Film (film or English Lit option)
Intro to F/TV Production
History of Cinema (1895-1950)</p>

<p>with supporting coursework that should plug right into GE major secondary or elective classes:
Photography I
History of Art IV: -Modern
Journ/Comm II - Mass Comm and Society</p>

<p>as well as expected:
English
Math
Science/Biology+lab
PE</p>

<p>and if can fit in even though already full time with said above classes:
Poli Sci I
Psyche and/or Sociology I</p>

<p>wouldn’t hurt to complete early on:
Speech I
Econ I
Bus I
CIS I
and a US History</p>

<p>My D is trying to decided what Major for college. She is thinking between Computer Science, Engineering or film production. She really loves the editing and production process but not sure of the job prospects after graduation in film. She is trying to see if there is a major where she can incorperate Film and Enginering or computer science. Her thought is that if she had a degree in CS on Eg she will have a better chance at getting a job after graduation. Is there any programs out there that combind the two. We have looked at Chapman, LMU and USC. Any other schools we should check out?</p>

<p>Stats 4.4 gpa weighted 3.98 unweighted, Rank 1/395 SAT’s 1900 Lots of extra’s</p>

<p>Well realize CS and Engineering fields do tend to be heavily male dominated professions. I don’t know of anywhere that does inter-department coursework between film and CS or Engineering as they are too dissimilar. She would still learn a lot of business and computer program skills in film but not computer programming or engineering.</p>

<p>To anybody looking for a good film program outside of what most people think of, I graduated with my BA in Film and Digital Media from Baylor. The professors were all excellent and I was able to start filming projects in my second class for the major. Freshman are allowed to take that course, as well, as it has no pre-requisites, and some people outside of the department actually choose to take it, as well, simply because it is a good, fun elective. The professors do their absolute best to provide the students enough opportunities to learn and practice, including having some sort of opportunity to work on the set of a short or feature-length film nearly every summer in Waco as an elective that counts toward the degree. The Baylor in New York program is also excellent and a great way to fit in an internship while getting out of Waco for a semester, and the professors have contacts at Sony, Canon, and the NAB.</p>

<p>sum17mer, your daughter could look at Baylor’s video game design program as one example. The program is quickly being recognized on a national level, including being in the Princeton Review’s top 50 programs, and requires students to take both computer science and film production courses in order to complete the degree requirements. I have several friends in the program now, and while it is hard and stressful, they seem to love it. It’s a concentration listed under the computer science department, so students earn a B.S. from the program.</p>

<p>Sum17mer,
I broke this out to a separate topic here –> <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/visual-arts-film-majors/1009193-can-girl-mix-computer-science-film-majors.html#post1065688687[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/visual-arts-film-majors/1009193-can-girl-mix-computer-science-film-majors.html#post1065688687&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I thought it was an interesting topic but it will be lost in this thread.

  • Wheaty</p>

<p>soz Wheaty dude you have little idea what you are talking about as far as habitus within fields. Even though there is some congruity in the beginning with understanding the basics but there is still a stark difference between a gamer, filmmaker, and visual special effects person. Plus CS is more theoretical and goes in a different direction just like Engineering does. You are being confused by marketing gimmicks and should really look at the college’s curriculum and what employers want related to what the person wants to do. One can’t be everything to everyone or ends up not being very valuable to anyone.</p>

<p>What about the UCs in Calif do any of them have good film programs. I’m more interested in editing films and production. Any info out there. I have applied to LMU and Chapman. I was told that UCSB and UCSD have good programs. Not sure about UCSC.</p>

<p>LMU: TOP notch film AND music for film production program but very difficult to get into
Chapman: quality film production program, great facilities, fairly difficult to get into
UCSB: EXCELLENT Film STUDIES program but it isn’t a Film Production program for that in the SB region you would go to (if can’t afford Brooks)…
SBCC: Awesome Film Production program with advanced level II production classes i.e Directing II, Editing II, Cinematography II, Audio II, and Studio II
UCSC: Weak film program not production but top notch CS:Animation degree program.
De Anza: One of the top Associates degree level film production AND Animation programs
UCSD: does not have actual production program but a quality Visual Arts (media) program
UCLA: TOP notch junior transfer level Film Production program, difficult to get into</p>

<p>I think you’ve all listed very good film schools. But there is one thing that I’d like to point out to the parents… there is a big difference between “film production” and “film studies,” like some of the CSU’s and UC’s offer. “Film studies” is more of a critical outlook on film, not so much the production part. “Film production” you’ll be taking primarily courses that deal with cinematography and editing to create that motion picture.</p>

<p>I think kmazza is the super duper expert on that^
in other words, please don’t start on him (think him, yes? kuma-chan?)</p>