FINAL DECISIONS and BACKGROUND - CLASS OF 2021

Part 3 (final)

So I know most of you are familiar with the saga…her agent (who interestingly enough has a BFA in MT from Pace) was steering her away from BFA programs very subtly…with certain comments she would make here and there (like: “she doesn’t need a BFA”). Then a couple of months ago she was in their office for an audition and a random actor overheard her talking about all her BFA auditions and he pulled her aside and advised her not to go to school for a BFA in acting. (He has his from BoCo and said he’s still paying it off and he’s in his 40’s). He told her she would be wasting four very marketable years and she should go to school for something else or just do a two year program and audition as much as she could. This really rocked her world…not in a good way! She started to doubt her path and really got us thinking about what would really be best for her in her situation. All along she had considered BA programs because she enjoys writing and history and wasn’t sure she could really see herself in an intense BFA. But on the flip side she was adamant about wanting great training. She has been considering both paths all along. Unfortunately there aren’t too many auditioned BA’s out there and she still really wanted to go to school in CA. She ended up applying to eight schools in CA but was only accepted to two and waitlisted at two. I was hoping for a better turnout than that. One was CaLARTS, an intense BFA that does not allow you to miss more than two days of school so auditioning was definitely out of the question if she went there. The other was Loyola Marymount University in the heart of LA, right near Santa Monica and the beach. While she was waiting to hear from many of the schools, she began to really fall in love with UNCSA and being waitlisted really kept things very up in the air.

We visited Cali for spring break a couple of weeks ago and she shadowed a student at CaLARTS and toured LMU. She liked CaLARTS a lot but she came out confused. She said she could see herself happy there, but she could also see herself getting depressed there. Not sure why…just a feeling she got. The director there was awesome though and spoke to her about the quality of training she would be getting compared with a BA which of course she realizes is top notch. They even emailed her the next day and offered her a little more money which was very nice! The next day we toured LMU…there wasn’t much not to like! The campus is absolutely gorgeous sitting atop a bluff overlooking LA. The school was closed for Easter break but the director of the theater department came in just to meet with us. He gave us a good hour and a half of his time and we came out of there feeling really good about the program. That being said, although it is technically an auditioned BA, it’s not exactly. They only accept video auditions and the way it works is that the theater dept watches the videos and then they give admissions a list of the students that they want in the program. As long as those students’ academics are in line with the school’s standards they will be accepted. However, if there is a student that has NOT been recommended by the theater department, they might still be admitted as a theater major if admissions decides to accept them for whatever reason. I got the feeling that the department head would prefer it not work this way, but it is what it is. So the level of talent is definitely not going to be anywhere near that of a BFA program. That being said, he explained it in a way that was very interesting and that I had never thought about. He said that he’s not just training actors, but audiences as well. Those theater majors who will most likely never make it as an actor are the future audiences. It’s a good thing that they see how hard it is to act and it will give them a greater appreciation of the art. He’s also an expert in stage combat and is still a working actor himself. And the most important thing is that he understands if a student needs to miss school for a few days here and there if they book a job. Of course if they book something that requires a longer commitment then they just have to fill out a form and take a leave of absence.

The negatives to LMU are size (much smaller than USC but much bigger than UNCSA and CaLARTS) so probably won’t be an issue and they don’t have a football team and in the beginning that was very important to my D although she’s gotten over that to an extent. They have a multitude of other D1 sports though so I think she will find the school spirit there despite not having football games to attend. Water Polo is big there lol! The HUGE negative though is cost…they gave her no money except an early action scholarship of $2000. I appealed and try as I might you can’t get blood from a stone. They said that they gave out more money than they had and they don’t anticipate any being left over. It’s a Jesuit school with no endowment so not much I could really do about that.

After the LMU tour our D was very excited and felt like she found her fit. Her agent called me the week we were in CA and reiterated how now is the “time to strike” and that she should go to a school where she would still be able to get her face into audition rooms and make connections. My D wants to minor in either Journalism or Anthropology or perhaps even double major so I feel like the price tag is worth it if she comes out with something to fall back on. They have a multitude of theater electives so if she chooses she can come out with as many credits as she would have if she had gone for a BFA. The week we were there she also got a self-tape audition and her agent arranged for her to tape it at their LA office. So she got to meet with their LA rep who works closely with the NY agents. I have an old friend who owns a casting agency in LA and we had dinner with him when we were there. He told us that he does the casting for LMU’s film school and that it has a great reputation so that put us at ease as well. It may not be on the list of “Best Theater programs” but it’s a great school and I feel a hidden gem. It’s very well known in CA but I had never heard of it before last year (learned about it on these boards as a matter of fact!).

So…
FINAL DECISION - BA Theater at LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIVERSITY!

So after all the coaching sessions with MTCA and thousands spent…mock auditions, Unifieds, practicing monologues, prescreens, 23 applications, umpteen essays…my D is ending up at a school she was accepted to in mid December before she had even one in person audition! Ha we could have just called it a day months ago! But she had to go though the whole process to make an informed decision. If she had gotten into say SUNY Purchase or UNCSA from the get go (we were emailed yesterday that they are not taking from the waitlist this year) perhaps the ending would have been different. As hard as I worked on the list I think we made some mistakes with it…which I did start to realize a few months ago but my D didn’t want to hear it. So maybe she will end up booking something big and then she’ll have to pull out of school…not what I want to happen at all but the goal is to work and this business is so competitive that it would be foolish to pass up a great opportunity. Her agent called us yesterday and we had a discussion about her future. I made it clear that we have to pick and choose her auditions wisely because the school is expensive and she can’t be pulling out of school for something that might never see the light of day. So hopefully this will all work out…I want my D to have a college degree and that’s important to her too. That being said she chose to go into a career where very few succeed so we have to be flexible and take life as it comes! Thanks to all of you who have been there to offer advice over the past year…I think I will be sticking around here to try to help others out in the future :slight_smile:

Congrats, @marg928! It’s so fun to read your posts and I’ve enjoyed learning from you. Best wishes to your daughter on the next phase of her journey!

Congratulations @marg928. Do keep us posted!!

Congrats @marg928! Great story. Great outcome. Please continue to share her experiences at LMU

Congratulations @marg928 !!! Best wishes to your D!

Congratulations to all, thankful it is over :slight_smile:

Congrats @marg928 ! Fantastic story of an amazing journey!

Congrats, @marg928 & D!

Congratulations @marg928 and to your D. Love reading all these amazing stories! Hoping to share ours soon as it has a bit of a different twist than most.

So happy for you and your daughter @marg928. Here you are sending your girl across the country to CA and I’m sending mine across the country to Connecticut. These kids just have to spread their wings I guess. I’m sure she will love Loyola and have an amazing college experience!

Congratulations, it sounds like a great solution for your daughter’s specific set of needs. I will be wondering from now on whether it’s her whenever I see a young petite blonde on tV and movies.

@marg928. I am so glad that your D has made her decision and is so excited. My D, also spent her youth auditioning for film/TV in NY and thought she would continue in college. After two weeks in school she said “no way.” She didn’t have the time and she didn’t want to miss class. I would strongly recommend she book out for a least a month and probably two so she can get settled in school. Will she have a car? Auditions in Burbank and WeHo will take an hour to get to on a good day. Even Santa Monica can take time with traffic. The good news is that my D started auditioning again this Spring (soph year) and has built up enough good will with her professors to miss a class now and then. As much as her reps are pushing her to audition now, I promise you they will be just as interested two years from now. There will always be more auditions.

@BeBop1 thanks great advice! No she won’t have a car she will have to take Uber. I think my D will feel the same way once she gets there. Pilot season is really when I think a lot will come through and by then she will be settled in. I made it clear that she couldn’t be running around LA for every little fart…we have to pick wisely! Traffic is worse than New York! Where does your D go to school?

@marg928 What a remarkable story. Thank you so much for taking the time to share it. I love how your D knew what she wanted and focused on how her plan fit with the school and the curriculum. It’s so easy to get swept away in this process. The very best of luck to her in the future.

@marg928, I love your story! It really sounds like a perfect fit: the college experience WITH the ability to audition, and even a chance to double major and explore other interests. And it’s California, which is what she wanted! Perfect ending!

And the Winner is - NYU Tisch (Playwrights Horizons)! It came down to the admitted students visits for our son - Tisch and the studio went out of their way to allow him to audit a full class day, including one class that the person who auditioned him was teaching. A very warm, open and personal welcoming environment. He came away seeing himself there and planning his curriculum. From application to audition to acceptance, we felt their support and as stressful as the college application process is, we felt they wanted to make it enjoyable if that makes sense.

@CalBear87 congrats! My daughter is graduating from Tisch in 2 weeks (omg!) and she was in Playwrights Horizons for 2 years primary training and 1 year advanced. She loved it and grew so much. Everyone she met was amazing. Best of luck to your son and please feel free to ask me any questions!

@CalBear87 - welcome to the Tischies! My D is a junior in Adler, and one of her best friends is in Playwrights- second the option for answering any questions!

This is such a beautiful way to gain closure after a long and often emotional process.

Here is our story Part I of II… My youngest, a son, has spent life in a theater, one way or another, since he could sit quietly. His sister - 8 years older and brother - 4 years older, had both been in every production at our community children’s theater and young teen theater programs before “moving in” to our High School’s Center for Performing Arts where they lived for the next 4 years. Whether on stage, backstage, in drama class, writing and directing student plays, etc. they seemed to spend more time at the CPA than at home. It was very natural that he too appeared in every production at our community theaters as soon as he was old enough. Unlike his siblings, who also played sports, he was only interested in theater and playing saxophone.

However, as I discovered during this year’s journey with him, he was always in their enormous shadows. I mean I knew, but didn’t know the extent. He didn’t ever know if he was getting his own foot in a door or if they were being held open for him. A double edged sword for sure. It made him compete with his brother in ways neither one even realized I think (except that it would not surprise me, with this one’s sense of self, if he didn’t realize it every step of the way and feel powerless to change it.) He really worked hard to make a space for himself and wanted VERY much to stand out, to be acknowledged and be seen as “Batman”, instead of as Spiderman’s little brother. I honestly think he has achieved that this year, due in part to this process. On a side note, Spiderman has always cheered for his brother and competes only with himself to be the best version of him. He is extremely content in his Spideyness. And for the full picture, the Pink Power Ranger - 8 year’s his senior, returned to our local high school after college graduation to work in the special ed department and assist her former director and former choir teachers with school productions. So, he was also competing with his sister for a spot in the CPA spotlight for 3 years before she moved on to other things his senior year.

We discovered early on that this child had a gift for storytelling and were not sure that acting would/should be his only/primary route to his future. He “wrote” stories since before he knew how to write. He would tell me his stories and I would type them on my computer for him. I still have the long since dead computer that I plan to take to the Geek Squad and recover the hard drive on for the SOLE purpose of recovering his early stories. In Jr. High he turned his emotions into what I (unbiased of course) think was a beautifully insightful look and creative take on what kids that age are experiencing, he wrote a series that I was completely fascinated with. But, that was just a fun hobby, he had real work to do, he had to become Batman!

He got great roles in high school productions but I think wondered if it was on his own talent or his siblings legacies. He had no idea what a great actor he was becoming, more versatile than Spidey. He joined juggling club as Spidey had done; was in Comedy Troupe, as Spidey had been, wrote and directed one act plays and waited. Waited for someone to notice that he was Batman and he could beat Spidey whenever he wanted to and waited for people to notice that the Pink Power Ranger who they all adored, was a huge fan of him, of him!

to be continued…

Part II of II

Our S became an NHSI Cherub as the Pink Power Ranger had also been 8 years prior. He was very proud and had worked hard to come up with a portion of the cost himself.

When it came time for our S to start the application/audition process, the first thing he said is that he was not at all interested in going to Emerson College, Spidey will graduate from Emerson in 2 weeks with a BFA in acting. He wanted a school of his own. Knowing what a great program it has been for our other S, I encouraged him to at least put it on the list and see what happens. I was also keeping an eye out for those schools that might be able to help him resurface his love of storytelling and work on his writing. The list started with 10 programs and 2 more were added for good measure. He is the only Senior at his school going into acting next year and 3 girls who will be going into MT convinced him 10 wasn’t nearly enough :slight_smile: .

He attended the early action audition on campus for Emerson and was given a personal tour of the school and the city by none other than Spiderman. Then, miracle of miracles at his first college audition, the auditioner told him there must be something in the milk at our house. He was over the moon! When he got the letter from Emerson College a month later, he read "Dear Batman, congratulations on your acceptance… " This was almost two months before Unifieds but he was content and had already decided on Emerson. I encouraged him to finish the process we had started and see what else the world of theater schools had to offer a Batman such as himself. Prior to Unifieds, we visited 3 schools in the Carolinas over one weekend, auditioning at two and driving through campus of another he had already been accepted to. Batman fell in LOVE with UNCSA and it shot to the top of his list. Another went to the bottom when he realized it didn’t feel right for him. The final list with results is:

Catawba College - non audition BFA acting, Accepted with an exceptional merit award.
CCM at University of Cincinnati - wait-listed until acceptance on April 25th.
Chapman University - BFA Screen acting. Accepted with an exceptional grant.
Coastal Carolina - BFA Acting or BFA Performance. Accepted with a very nice scholarship.
Emerson College - Accepted with a very nice grant, larger than the one his brother was getting.
Guthrie Program at UMN - no call back. BA program at UMN became a strong contender.
Illinois State University - Accepted via video audition with a small merit scholarship.
Point Park University - Accepted with an exceptional artistic scholarship.
Mason Gross at Rutgers - no call back
Syracuse - rejected but, with an invitation to try again
UNCSA - rejected but, with an invitation to try again.
Wright State University - BFA Acting. Accepted with a small scholarship.

With each acceptance and each award letter, Batman was conquering evil and without any mystical superpowers, just a lot hard work and perseverance. When he reached the final week of decision making, he had kept Emerson, UMN and Wright State on his list with a hope that CCM would let him know one way or the other so he wouldn’t play the “what if” game all summer. He had thanked all the other programs for their support and asked them to give his spot to someone else. Each program that remained had something special to offer this Batman’s future. The real question was what he should do with his new found status? Now that he really was Batman, what was next? The priorities shifted many times throughout this process, pros would become cons and vice versa. Things that had seemed VERY important in the beginning, moved to the bottom of the list and ones that hadn’t even been considered started to surface.

Batman will be attending CCM in the fall and no one, not Spidey, or the Pink Power Ranger or anyone who knows our Batman could be any happier with the decision.

Batman is also talking about attending CCMs Playwrights Conference next summer :slight_smile: