<p>OHMom, one of the conditions of the parent signing the ED agreement was that the kid had to have their other applications (really, the essays) ready to go. I learned from nefarious kid 1 that I should actually SEE the essays, not take their word that they’re done. :)</p>
<p>All regarding Cornell. The Life Sciences Agriculture school is a SUNY (State University NY). Tuition is cheap, and it’s an ivy.
From their website “At CALS, tuition depends upon residency status; New York State resident tuition is about $15,000 less than tuition for out-of-state residents.”
So you are all right. Cornell prefers NYers and NYers prefer Cornell if they are on a budget.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/211716-chances-cornell-myth-busting-new-york-connection-faqs.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/211716-chances-cornell-myth-busting-new-york-connection-faqs.html</a></p>
<p>At Cornell - New Yorkers get a $15,000 discount at 3 schools. No school at Cornell is a state school. </p>
<p>The states listed as having higher PSAT scores than New York are with the exception of California, much smaller than New York so I stand by my theory that New Yorkers make up a significant percentage of kids looking to get into prestigious universities. The PSAT cutoff is a percentage so there would be a much larger absolute number of New Yorkers with high scores. California has a great state system and is far away from the Ivies and many elite LACs too.</p>
<p>Try this link:</p>
<p>[suny.edu</a> - NYS COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURE AND LIFE SCIENCES AT CORNELL UNIVERSITY](<a href=“http://www.suny.edu/FeaturedCampus/profile.cfm?campus=NYS+COLLEGE+OF+AGRICULTURE+AND+LIFE+SCIENCES+AT+CORNELL+UNIVERSITY&campusText=CornellAgAndLife.htm]suny.edu”>http://www.suny.edu/FeaturedCampus/profile.cfm?campus=NYS+COLLEGE+OF+AGRICULTURE+AND+LIFE+SCIENCES+AT+CORNELL+UNIVERSITY&campusText=CornellAgAndLife.htm)</p>
<p>Well, the whole point of this aside is whether it helps in admissions if you’re from NY State and none of this proves it one way or the other. At the info sessions of two of the “NYS” colleges they said they do not favor people from NY State.</p>
<p>^ And that is belied by the numbers posted in #91.</p>
<p>I thought we can’t be sure if New Yorkers favor Cornell rather than Cornell favors New Yorkers?</p>
<p>Especially with the discount.</p>
<p>Amazon, you don’t have to believe but I did prove my case. No other top school finds NY state kids so much better than those from other states that they have to fill their classes with one out of three of them. (Even I – a native New Yorker, albeit one who has met students from other areas’ top suburban schools-- finds that amusing!) There are even specific initiatives at Cornell (HEOP, community college transfers) that give preference to instate students so it really isn’t a question of discussion. </p>
<p>But the point of this was also to explain that different colleges give preferences (whether ED or RD) to different groups of students. There are private colleges that give geographical preferences-- not just that cc-legendary awesome kid from North Dakota, but sometimes to kids from their own back yards. The preference may be in the form of special partnerships or programs for low-income or disadvantaged kids but these are legitimate hooks to a specific school.</p>
<p>Amazon “no school at Cornell is a state school?” This is not correct. I’m from NY and my husband and sister went to Cornell. When my husband left the ag school to go to the engineering school his tuition increased substantially.</p>
<p>The relation of Cornell with New York’s State university system is confusing.</p>
<p>All of Cornell’s Colleges are operated by Cornell, not the state university system. However, four of its colleges get some of their funding from the state, in essence for carrying out the “land grant” mission for it. And in turn the University must do some reporting to, and get some approvals and meet some requirements from, the state in connection with same. (Among those requirements is the tuition discount for NYS residents). And for giving its money, the state gets to associate its name with those colleges. But they are run by Cornell, not SUNY.</p>
<p>Here is SUNY’s spin on this:
"The arrangement may indeed be confusing. The four units of Cornell that were referenced are “Statutory” or “Contract” Colleges. The following is an excerpt from SUNY’s Master Plan:
“Statutory/Contract Colleges - The five partnership colleges, also known as statutory or contract colleges, round out the doctoral sector. These colleges are not directly operated by the State University, but are operated by their host institutions, subject to the general supervision and coordination of State University Trustees [Education Law §355(1)(a)], who also approve the appointment of the head of each college by the governing board of its respective private institution [Education Law §355(1) (e)].
Included in this category are four colleges affiliated with Cornell University, the Colleges of Agriculture and Life Sciences, Human Ecology, Veterinary Medicine, and the School of Industrial and Labor Relations; and a fifth institution, the New York State College of Ceramics, is affiliated with Alfred University (see Education Law, Article 123). Each partnership college enjoys the benefits of being part of the State University of New York while being connected to, and located at, a private university. These colleges are exemplars of productive public-private partnerships.”</p>
<p>As for whether Cornell “favors” NYS residents, maybe, I’m not sure.</p>
<p>It should be completely unsurprising to anybody that the university has an atypically large representation from New York State and neighboring mid-atlantic states, even absent any particular incentive on its part to enroll them. It is commonplace for colleges to draw the predominance of their students from within 4-6 hour drive of their campus. Given Cornell’s western NY location, it so happens this places a large proportion of its primary target audience in NY and MidAtlantic.</p>
<p>I would imagine its “endowed” colleges- Arts & Sciences, Engineering, Architecture, Hotel-would have little incentive to favor NYS residents. And IIRC the actual % enrollment of New Yorkers in the endowed colleges is lower than in its contract colleges.</p>
<p>With respect to the contract colleges, it would not be surprising to me if among the strings attached to the state funding were some state enrollment targets for those colleges. But I’ve never seen any concrete evidence that such targets actually exist, and there have been statements quoted second-hand to the effect that they don’t. There are indeed articulation agreements with some community colleges within the state, I imagine these are among those “strings” .</p>
<p>So there may indeed be some incentive to admit, at these colleges.</p>
<p>On the other hand, these colleges also get a disporportionate amount of applicants from New York State, for two reasons. First there is that same geographic proximity factor. But in addition, and in particular, there is that $15,000 per year tuition discount, which is big money for the many middle class New York residents who are not particularly wealthy but don’t qualify for financial aid. </p>
<p>There are no published statistics that I’ve ever seen for the University’s In-state admissions % vs. out-of-state admissions %, either by college or aggregate. One can speculate all one wants, but there is really no way to know for sure without this data. The tuition discount obviously drives up in-state applicants. The question is whether it does so enough to make the percentage admitted in-state vs. out of state approximately the same, while achieving the observed enrollment proportions. I don’t really know.</p>
<p>But if you want to compare regional enrollment characteristics to see if there’s really any evidence to suggest geographical bias, I would suggest you might look to similarly-situated institutions, such as Syracuse University, University of Rochester, Colgate and Hamilton College.</p>
<p>And then, since none of these places has an Ag school, or gives discounts to New York residents, to really be apples-to-apples accurate, for Cornell you should look only at its College of Arts & Sciences, or if necessary its Endowed Colleges in aggregate. Cornell does break out much data by college, in its institutional data pages.</p>
<p>Those other colleges you are trying to compare it with are further east. Most are actually located in New England, not mid-atlantic. And none of them have an ag school, etc, or give tuition discounts to residents of particular states.</p>
<p>A reminder as to where Cornell is located, within New York state and compared to the coastal areas closer to those other colleges(eg Boston):
<a href=“https://www.cbord.com/jobs/tools/[/url]”>https://www.cbord.com/jobs/tools/</a></p>
<p>I was out and out told that there is no preference for New Yorkers at Cornell, including the land grant colleges. The only exception to that rule are certain outreach programs for those transferring from community colleges, HEOP apps, and other programs that may be on the desk of the Cornell Admissions office for those considered disadvantaged. </p>
<p>I can tell you that if a NY kid is accepted to one of the land grant schools at Cornell, the chances are very high, nearly certain, in fact, that s/he will go there. Ivy at those prices is hard to beat, and even parents who are braced for full pay (other than those for whom cost is zero issue) love that deal. The only kids I know who rejected such offers are my kids and those accepted to HPY. And I can tell you that it still hurts, that my kids did not go there. I just paid off the student loans for the first one and am still paying and will be paying for the other.</p>
<p>This may not be an informed question but I am just learning here. Thank you for your patience. If a student applies ED and gets accepted and the family responsibility is X and in the spring she gets an outside scholarship for $5000, isn’t the family responsibility now
X-5000?</p>
<p>Isaelijohjac, you should start a new thread with that question. Also a little research on this forum will answer your question. Most of the time, outside scholarships are required to be reported to the college. The college website will address that subject directly, and it can differ from school to school. Usually, the outside award will reduce the student need, and correspondingly the award, but most schools will start reducing the self help, such as work study and loans first, only hitting the grants if the scholarship is so much that if encroaches that amount. Some schools will let you keep the money. Some will take it right off the grants. It depends upon the school.</p>
<p>It depends on the school. Some will let you use the outside scholarship to help meet your EFC, some will reduce their grant aid, many will let you apply it to the loan/work study part of the aid package.</p>
<p>Ha. Great minds. A forum search will only tell you…it depends on the school :)</p>
<p>cptofthehouse - can I ask you where your kids went? I’ve thought about moving to New York State to save $15,000 on 3 or maybe at this point only 2 years tuition. Probably not going to happen.</p>
<p>Only one went to a SUNY. One went to a very expenive private top 25 school and we paid full freight. Another went to a very expensive private LAC, but did get some merit money. One is at an OOS public. One more left to go. </p>
<p>North Carolina is a great state for tuition and financial aid. NY is great is that there are affordable state schools within a commutable distance just about everywhere. Even with room and board, the cost is about $20K full sticker price. Cornell is more, but it’s the only ivy that has a built in state discount. But as I said, two of my kids turned it down. Still makes my DH shake his head.</p>