<p>First off, you don't know what you are talking about @ momma-three. HEOP just happens to be a free-ride for the first year. I applied to H/EOP at other schools as well, it just so happens that Cornell had the most generous package. H/EOP is more than just financial, which is another reason why I applied. Also, I WILL have to take out loans sophmore, junior and senior year (depending on scholarship), so please!</p>
<p>well not everything is fair. I mean if we are going to use that argument its like communism or socialism...is universal health care correct? Is welfare necessary. I mean where do you draw the line. Full rides are very rare...I only know like 1 or 2 people ever getting it...and their fullride is not just grants...(some workstudy but no loans) I guess this person got extremely lucky. But you have to realize cornell does not only admit middle lower-upper class students, there are a good few people from the city, the projects who were able to get in because they have proven themselves and who just simply cannot pay for college...I mean no i dont thinki ts fair sometimes, my parents worked hard their entire life to save me enough money for college...and according to fafsa...thats investments. oh well</p>
<p>sexy like a scorpio, are you talking to me? i was trying to defend financial aid, but in my case it wasn't substantial enough...</p>
<p>no @emilyanne</p>
<p>gotcha...your use of "@" confused me a bit lol</p>
<p>also--we are owed something. If not by the college who we know can pay for it than by the government. Its too hard to get into college, and then once we do, its too hard to pay for it.</p>
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<p>The reality is that no one owes you anything. You are not simply entitled to go to any college of your choice. You need to apply to colleges that you can (1) get into and (2) afford to attend. If you fail to do those things, the problems that face you are of your own making. You should be applying to colleges that you are likely to get into and that you are likely to be able to afford (yes, I understand that you don't know about final financial aid awards until later, but the local state school or community college may well be within your means to afford). Is it the fulfillment of a dream to attend the local state school or community college? Perhaps not, but if you don't choose that option than you have to live with the hand that is dealt to you by the more expensive schools out there. Does the world also owe you a job after graduation, a car and a home?</p>
<p>Oh, and the government does help -- it's called Stafford Loans (among other federal and state loan programs), where the government either pays all of the interest accrued on those loans while you attend school (subsidized) or where the government uses its resources to defer the payment of the interest that accrues on those loans while you are in school (unsubsidized). In addition, the government effectively acts as your guarantor for these loans, so that your parents do not have to sign on and stand ready to pay those loans if you fail to do so. Furthermore, the government imposes caps on the total interest rates that you will have to pay on Stafford Loans so that students are not subject to changes in interest rates that affect the marketplace.</p>
<p>So, please explain to me why the world owes you something and who is supposed to provide what is owed to you?</p>
<p>Sallyawp That is my point exactly.If children are raised to understand there is no obligation on behalf of the government,schools,etc. to support them we would perhaps foster more motivated adults.</p>
<p>Schools like cornell want to attract a bigger variety of students.. that's the point of financial aid. Not to give middle class students (or anyone) a free ride, but to give students with a lot of potential but without the means or without parental support a chance.</p>
<p>thats it! im moving to venezuela! go socialism!!</p>
<p>lol jk</p>
<p>anyways, the whole point of financial aid at cornell is to fulfill ezra cornell's vision of "any person, any study" or something like that.</p>
<p>Seuferk,scorpio,andEmily You all share very similar attitudes about what you are entitled to. I do not understand why our society perpetuates the attitude that people with less are owed something. If I heard all of you say you were grateful for what you were receiving or how you plan to work what ever many hours necessary to diminish your hand out I would say G-D bless you and I wish you well.Instead it sounds like a bunch of kids waiting around for a hand out. You apply for appeals when it is my opinion you should be appying for jobs. As I said earlier I hope you all do extremely well so that one day you can be a contributing donor to Cornell. Seuferk,if it was too hard to get to college what do you think the next four years will hold? Every student has worked hard WHAT MAKES YOU SO SPECIAL THAT CORNELL SHOULD PAY FOR YOU. I also do not understand the heop program You do not need to work this summer because you are up at Cornell early-all expences paid. WHY,WHY,WHY I think it is crazy that Cornell is treating you like the poor incapable kid that needs the summer to adjust to college life.You did say you worked hard to get there.Then why do you need extra help?</p>
<p>What Makes Me So Special..the Fact That I Was Special Enough Enough To Get Accepted Into Cornell.</p>
<p>Cornell Says They Match 100% Of The Need, So I Expect It To Be Met.</p>
<p>Why Do I Need Extra Help, Because High School And College Are Not The Same Thing! </p>
<p>Sounds To Me Like You Are Just Bitter Because Your Sons Will Have $80,000 In Loans.</p>
<p>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE H/EOP PROGRAM, WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR LOGIC OR HOW YOU AND YOUR KIDS THINK $80,000 IN LOANS IS ACCEPTABLE FOR ANY COLLEGE!</p>
<p>oh snap! amen to that scorpio!! if a college promises aid for students that go to their school, it should DEFINATELY be met. Therefore, i expect a nice package :)</p>
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<p>That's exactly what work study, low interest rate, subsidized or interest deferred student loans and perhaps some amount of grants are designed to do. I don't think that any student should be entitled to go to school for free simply because they don't have money saved or money available from their parents. Some amount of student loans and some amount of work study are appropriate for every student, in my humble opinion. If you want a private, Ivy league education, then you have to pay more for that choice and take additional loans. If you are going to buy into the theory that $XX of loans (whatever threshhold you choose) is too much, then make a different educational choice. You may have to make sacrifices to pay off those loans, but who doesn't have to make sacrifices sometimes? Choose - education at a wonderful school like Cornell (your dream school, perhaps) followed by some sacrifices down the line to pay off student loans or an education at a more affordable school, like a state school or community college, followed by the reward of having no (or fewer) student loans?</p>
<p>Cornell is an absolutely wonderful school, and worth every penny of loans that I and many others have had to take to attend; however, you have to take some responsibility for yourselves to take advantage of the opportunities that Cornell, and many other wonderful schools we are blessed to have in this country, offer to you.</p>
<p>You have the right to whine and cry about it (though no one may want to listen). You have the right to be upset about it, if you want to do so. You also, and most importantly, have the right to make educational choices that fulfill all of your needs, including affordability.</p>
<p>Oh Yes you are right it does bother me that every capabe student is not treated the same.If my children could earn theiir academic right to a seat in Cornell and work 30 plus hours a week then every other capable student should be doing the same. I am bothered by the loans but I am also sure that the loans will be a further incentive to their desire to succeed. It is rediculus that a program is set up that perpetuates the help needed philosophy during the months prior to freshman year at college. It is also the poor me attitude that I find offensive as I would imagine must parents and kids who are paying would agree.</p>
<p>Oh Yes you are right it does bother me that every capabe student is not treated the same.If my children could earn theiir academic right to a seat in Cornell and work 30 plus hours a week then every other capable student should be doing the same. I am bothered by the loans but I am also sure that the loans will be a further incentive to their desire to succeed. It is rediculus that a program is set up that perpetuates the help needed philosophy during the months prior to freshman year at college. It is also the poor me attitude that I find offensive as I would imagine must parents and kids who are paying would agree.</p>
<p>This isn't fair at all. What you are basically saying is that everything should be equal. That is RIDICULOUS!! A family earning $30,000 a year should not have to pay as much efc as a person has parents who are making $100,000 a year. Sometimes equal simply does not make sense. I am sure that if you were one of these people, you would agree. </p>
<h2>I don't have a poor me attitude. I'm intelligent and I am successful. I have conquered many obstacles in my life and the I don't need ANYONE to feel sorry for me, including you.</h2>
<p>Some amount of student loans and some amount of work study are appropriate for every student, in my humble opinion. If you want a private, Ivy league education, then you have to pay more for that choice and take additional loans.</p>
<p>I disagree, some people should get free rides. I personally believe that people with OUTSTANDING academic achievements (AP Scholars, Truman Scholars, SCIENTIFIC Inventions and etc) should recieve them, regardless of income.</p>
<p>sally- I didn't mean a student with need should get a free ride.. I just meant a student for example with no parental support should get some grants, some loans, some work-study etc. I have a few friends that are taking 40k/yr out in loans (not at cornell) and while this is their choice, it is very difficult, which is why I support grants being PART of fin-aid packages, if the school sees fit. </p>
<p>I must not have been paying close enough attention to the back-and-forth at this board, and no one should feel entitled that a school will allow them to go there for free. But this <em>is</em> cornell we are talking about, and a good deal of students who go there are wealthy. Many of them have never wanted anything, their parents are paying for their education fully, and they feel entitled to go on an extravagent summer vacation as a reward for doing well in school. This is just the reality of how today's upper and upper middle class kids are (and no scolding via message board is going to change how they think)</p>
<p>scorpio It is unfortunate that you feel you are so entitled.Read your own personal profile you state that your interests are"singing,dancing,playing video games and watching t.V You also seem proud to say "no more working for me,time to relax and graduate". Well I guess someboby has to work so you can play video games.</p>
<p>Many students who go to Cornell are also from families who are not wealthy enough to send them to school without requiring that the student work or take loans. In fact, I would guess that there are a significant number of New York State residents attending contract colleges at Cornell specifically because those college offer reduced tuition to residents of New York State. The contract colleges have always seemed to me to be one of the very best deals in education for New York State residents who couldn't afford to go to Cornell otherwise.</p>
<p>My point is simply that whining about what you believe you are entitled to, or what the world owes to you simply because you worked hard in high school, is not going to buy you too many points with me (or a lot of alumni out there who generously donate money for financial aid to Cornell year after year) ever. There is something to be said for putting yourself through school by whatever means, really appreciating every opportunity available to you at a school like Cornell, and then reaping the rewards for your hard work and dedication for the rest of your life.</p>
<p>Perhaps one of the early lessons in life to learn from this is that a "can do" attitude, rather than a "what have you done for me lately" attitude, will take you quite far -- and may eventually earn you a Cornell degree.</p>
<p>Sally,There must be many students that are receiving aid that are not only appreciative of the opportunity to attend Cornell but will also become wonderful alumni like yourself. Hopefully these kids with lousy attitudes will mature,develop and work so hard that they too will be disgusted when they hear the next group of "oh poor me" kids expecting a free ride.I hope they understand their future obligation.</p>