Financial Aid Award Package?

Colleges and Universities A-Z Northeastern University
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<p>"your future employers will not be open to that attitude, trust me"</p>

<p>First of all, I rather not trust you. Secondly, employers in the field that I am interested in value an aggressive bargaining attitued very highly.</p>

<p>"...think they deserved are pretty rude about it. It is the attitude of entitlement that gets to me."</p>

<p>First of all, if you think I am rude, then don't listen to me. Secondly, you yourself are being rude by implying a condescending "attitude of entitlement" on my part. I clearly have the right to express what I felt of the unversity's trashy financial aid packages, packages that do not even meet the minimum requirement set by the FAFSA forms.</p>

<p>"..trampled on by the evil entity of a university."</p>

<p>I couldn't help but sense some satirical tone in that. I just want to make clear that private universities are corporations, not just sort of like corporations, but indeed are corporations. </p>

<p>"Vent all you want here..."</p>

<p>And yet you call me "rude."</p>

<p>"I am just trying to point out to you that life isn't always fair and things don't always fall into your lap."</p>

<p>How dare you say I expected things to fall into my lap? All those hours I spent alone at home studying while my friends were out at movies, or bowling, etc. All those all-nighters I pulled off to get the perfect grade on that big exam or essay. This is proof I was expecting nothing to fall into my lap. It would be unfair for things to fall into my lap. But I do work for fair. And if corporations are not fair with me, why do I have to just politely and quietly take it? Wouldn't that be even more unfair. I owe it to myself to seek justice, and if someone is not initially serving justice, it is up to us to acknowledge this, rather than let it be, and say "oh well, at least we got something, less than the necessity, but hey, it was a gift." </p>

<p>And you were way wrong about the gift part. It is no gift. It is a moral obligation; you know lje62, there are obligations outside those mandated by law or monetary incentives.</p>

<p>"Good luck in your future ventures"</p>

<p>I don't believe in luck; or in other words, I don't feel thinks will ever "fall into your lap." There is always some force behind an action. And there are also reactions to all actions. I shouldn't have had to justify my reaction so many times to you.</p>

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<p>Chill out!!!!!</p>

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<p>who-knew,</p>

<p>Just read the entire conversation, then you would be well aware of the fact that I was just defending myself.</p>

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<p>Listen here and learn.
First of all, you are not unique in the hours you spent studying and busting your hump to get your grades...you are one of countless students of equal or even ((( gasp ))) higher grades and stats than yours. </p>

<p>You are not bargaining , you are thankless and yes, have an bad case of superiority and entitlement ( wahhhh ) .. keep telling yourself you deserve more, that your offer is " trashy "..Please by all means prove me wrong. I am sure you will get all that you want in life, Starting with Northeastern. Do you actually believe that they have a " moral obligation " to give MORE to you. ?Where on earth did you get that idea ?
Heck, why doesn't everyone here try your approach ?
Are they also " morally obligated " to give my kid more too...after all, she has worked extremely hard for all of her grades ??</p>

<p>She studies endlessly too and forgoes trips to the bowling ally in favor of her academics.
I would be curious to see how you fare with this attitude of yours. In your pursuit of your perceived awards and in your future career.</p>

<p>Granted, I am certain you would never apply for a job in my companies.. but I would find it hard to believe anyone in a position of hiring ANYWHERE would be impressed with your whining and attitude.</p>

<p>I would place your resume in the circular file , all the time rolling my eyes at your tirades.
No one owes you anything. The sooner you grasp this, the better off you will be, but hey ..if you have to be right, you got it. You win, Happy now ?</p>

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<p>"Listen here and learn."</p>

<p>Wow, and you certainly don't "have a bad case of superiority and entitlement." </p>

<p>It's such a shame that you would place such vigor and energy in arguing against me, and yet your daughter is also suffering from a school that didn't give nearly enough financial aid. It is ridiculously misguided people like you who make it harder for progressives like me to attack institutions that cause suffering in both of our lives. Rather than uniting with, or at least complimenting, or at the very, very least condoning my words, you attack them. Even though these words are not directed at you but at the institutions. Unfortunately, you have stepped in the path between us, with your pathetic BS, "this is a gift, "be thankful," etc. </p>

<p>And I don't care what you would do with my resume because I would never apply to a company with such an immensely stubborn and idiotic overseer like you. </p>

<p>If you're teaching your daughter the same nonsense you're preaching here, I can only imagine what the future will hold for America in such dangerous times.</p>

<p>If you were alive during the French Revolution, you probably would've favored the corrupt aristocracy, stating crap like "at least they provide us food, we should be grateful, after all, they don't have an obligation to provide us a good living standard." </p>

<p>You almost sound tired, as though you have given up and have headed for the booze, because you feel like it's not going to get any better than this. All I ask is for you not to bring me down with you.</p>

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<p>Yes, I must break out the bottle , for I surely cannot win in your "revolution."
Luckily, my daughter not only has an outstanding work ethic but a great attitude with any challenge she faces...all without whining for more.</p>

<p>The difference between you and me is, I don't think the world owes me a living or anything else. Anything I have is self created along with, my husband ...a true and widely admired entrepreneur and some amazing, ambitious, thoughtful support people in our company..not one of whom shares your sense of entitlement ( thank goodness )
Again, I would be the first one to bow to your holiness when you get proven results with your rants and rattling about how unfair Northeastern is to you. </p>

<p>But the truth is, I am tired now and will retire for the evening.
It has been enlightening, to say the least and I admit that I should not goad you into any more arguments.
I should not be arguing with young boys.
You win, you are the best.
Congratulations.
Now you can go back to the other active argument you have going on tonite;)</p>

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<p>"Now you can go back to the other active argument you have going on tonite"</p>

<p>I'm glad the whole world knows about that argument. My opposition took it out of hand, and I ended my participation in it explicitly. Yet he still continued to post, because he knew I wouldn't reply. He got the last word, but I'm going to stick to my word, and not reply to him. But you have to admit, I showed him up.</p>

<p>"all without whining for more"</p>

<p>The problem is that you consider it whining. But I consider it discussing a problem. It's not called whining when you are on the wet end of the bench, that's what my grandpa said. </p>

<p>I think you and I have a completely different perspective on things: you a more conservative one, and me, a more liberal one. It's no use arguing.</p>

<p>Oh, and if you met me in real life, I'm sure you'd love to hire me, because you'd hate me so much, that it would be just too hard to let me away ;).</p>

<p>P.S. Sorry if things got a little personal, nice talking (arguing) to you (with you) though. Good night.</p>

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<p>aBeautifulMind, glad that you won't be attending NEU. I think you have some issues. Somewhere along the line someone made you feel superior....... wake up and get over yourself.</p>

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<p>Since I don't feel like reading a bunch of rants, I'll quote something from the middle of this conversation.</p>

<p>"Geez, now imagine if the colleges didn't give such "gifts." Only the rich would succeed. Equity would shrink even furthur. Is that the kind of world you find standard, and that the colleges' gifts are not necessary but are still very kind??? I don't like to talk politics, but talk about conservative economics!"</p>

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<li>"imagine" is the key word here.</li>
<li>You don't need to go to a private school if you can't afford it. My parents both grew up at the bottom of the financial ladder and went to one of the worst (and subsequently cheapest) colleges in the country and have been doing rather well for themselves.</li>
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<p>"1. "imagine" is the key word here.
2. You don't need to go to a private school if you can't afford it. My parents both grew up at the bottom of the financial ladder and went to one of the worst (and subsequently cheapest) colleges in the country and have been doing rather well for themselves."--Particle_Man</p>

<p>Bravo, you assume the word "imagine" as though the scenario I paint is as unreal as Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, and yet you assume your parents' circumstances and outcomes are a standard. That is supremely logical. My good man, you make me laugh.</p>

<p>Now RatedPG, if you find this critique that I just made right now self-centered, you really need to reconsider your depth of understanding in logic, economics, and overall reality. Perhaps your own insecurity due to your lack of grasp on certain ideas causes you to think I need to "wake up and get over" myself. Seriously, I never even stated I am absolutely correct in everything I said, I merely make arguments, support them, and if others disagree, free feel to rebut, but don't make fluffy, and frankly brash comments like those. And if you are at all an accurate representation of the students at NEU, then I am utterly lost at the thought of why I applied to a school with such uniformed, ignorant, and mislead students as yourself. Thank you!</p>

<p>Edit: RatedPG, people like you would look at my username and think I'm being cocky since I'm calling my own mind beautiful, and that's sad, because you miss the complete joke of my name, in that the distinguished (in its sole lowercase state) "a" serves to reverse such a meaning, as in the word asymmetrical, for instance. If you can overlook the temptation at accusing someone as self-centered, you will have a much more intellectually stimulating time. Just an FYI.</p>

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<p>Not to mention, I wasn't the one who started the argument/debate. If you go back to page 1, you would see the satirical comment about the full ride made by someone else that led to the argument. And so I really don't understand how I became the one who has "some issues." Just a thought.</p>

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<p>I really don't see how all of this exploded from aBeautifulMind simply stating that he thought the financial aid package wasn't up to par with others he had received.</p>

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<p>I'm in agreement with lje62...there's no way in hell anyone would want to hire aBeautifulMind with that sense of entitlement and whiny attitude. Damn, I read a couple paragraphs and couldn't take it anymore. </p>

<p>The fact of the matter is, education is a business before anything else. Northeastern is a private University that is in the business of providing the service of education to its students. As such, it is not required to give you ANYTHING, and the same goes for every other private school. </p>

<p>Any recruiter, professor, and/or career services adviser will always tell you to be subtle about your confidence. There is no room for ego when you're trying to get your first job. Interviewers don't want to hear "I'm going to accomplish this and do this, this, and this. I'm going to change everything and I deserve a higher salary than that other kid because my GPA is higher." If you have this kind of mentality you're in for a rude awakening because the real world is a lot different.</p>

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<p>Its called being disappointed, people. No need to get in arms over the internet. What people type is not necessarily a true reflection of what they actually act like in real life. </p>

<p>"Be thankful for what you get." I'm thankful for a lot of things. But if someone always takes things at face value and never strives for more, how are people ever going to reach for their goals? </p>

<p>I didn't get enough aid either for me to realistically attend NEU. It stinks, because I really liked this school. Why should I be thankful??? And to whom? The college? It might as well be an accept-deny because I can't pay 30k out of pocket to attend a school. This is how life is, I know; I'm not always going to get what I want, but I don't necessarily have to just "accept" everything as is. I'm not going to rant and rave and expect things to get handed to me on a platter either, but I can still be upset and even slightly bitter. This type of attitude is not superior. If you think it is, then you have low standards for yourself and others. </p>

<p>-my 2 cents</p>

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<p>"Bravo, you assume the word "imagine" as though the scenario I paint is as unreal as Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, and yet you assume your parents' circumstances and outcomes are a standard. That is supremely logical. My good man, you make me laugh."</p>

<p>That's because the situation IS unreal. I don't know if you realize this, but getting 68% of your need met by a school is pretty damn good. Of course, I'm sure socialism would be a viable option for you.</p>

<p>And yeah, I do think that's standard. My cousin is majoring in Petroleum Engineering at a state school in Montana of all places, and he already has a $160k job lined up. Do you really think that the college you attend affects your career that much? I'm sure a state school could provide you with an education just as well as NEU.</p>

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<p>" I really don't see how all of this exploded from aBeautifulMind simply stating that he thought the financial aid package wasn't up to par with others he had received."</p>

<p>In all honesty, he never used such polite terms as you used.</p>

<p>He described his award as " Trashy " , " insultingly low ".</p>

<p>He admitted that he " counted on getting a lot of money " ( personally, I find $ 28,000.00 a lot of money ) </p>

<p>He also feels that Northeastern has a " moral obligation " to give him more than they have offered.
We, as a family on the other hand are very happy and appreciative with what was offered to my daughter. Would we have liked more ? Sure , but in no way do I think that it is a private university's moral obligation or any such thing. We are thankful and in no way consider her " suffering" because she got less than others.</p>

<p>I never told HIM that he must be thankful, though I think he should be. All it takes is a thanks , but no thanks to the school..
One doesn't need to launch an " Attack ".</p>

<p>Acknowledging disappointment is one thing, but wanting to create an all out " attack" is not likely to get you anywhere, IMO.</p>

<p>You can ask, or you can demand..which one would garner better results ?</p>

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<p>I guess you have to give aBeautifulMind credit for what he says, it is after all, correct in a sense, and he makes his point clear and quite irrefutable. It is his constant arrogance throughout his whole posts what makes you see him as you do, but the point initself is quite acurate. And that is indeed one of the less productive attitudes in any environment.</p>

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He described his award as " Trashy " , " insultingly low ".

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<p>He did not, actually. He referred to the average percentage of met aid by NEU as "insultingly low", not to his own package.</p>

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He admitted that he " counted on getting a lot of money " ( personally, I find $ 28,000.00 a lot of money )

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<p>I do too, but it is not in the context of his need, and that is exactly his point. What good are 28k if you still have to pay 17k that you (as from what he implied) don't have. About the moral obligation, I must agree that it is somewhat far-fetched, they do not really have any obligations, but I guess he means that provided he has got some very good credentials, it is, as part of the standard admissions process, an "obligation" to give him a generous package in order to "lure" him to their university and improve their overall student body, or, it may be that he means they must grant him some better percentage of his demonstrated need, as part of the University's endowement is government-funded. I must admit that I am not quite informed myself, as I am no citizen of the United States (I am an American though) and I do not qualify for aid at all. I got $0 financial aid (and I guess that's basically enough for me and NEU, I will not attend there). I expected a scholarship, and did not get it. However, instead of explicitly critizcing the University, I will do it in a different fashion, simply not attending there (and telling people I know that I applied and did not get any sort financial help), consider it a "moderate" attitude (in the context of aBeautifulMind's "liberal" and "conservative" labels). </p>

<p>By the way, aBeautifulMind, I think the joke of your nickname is a good one, but I do not quite get why you capitalized Beautiful. If it was as a way of sepparating words, it would mean that it is three words, and a would not be the prefix for negation you meant. I think it would have been better to write abeautifulMind, or AbeautifulMind, and even if they both "look" worse, they make your joke more understandable.</p>

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<p>stepping away from the drama, i'd just like to let anyone who'd like to know that my package came today, so hopefully anyone who hasn't received theirs yet has gotten it/will get it very soon. :]</p>

<p>i was a bit disappointed, since NEU was my first choice school and i was hoping my grades and sincere interest would have gotten me more money (i knew i should've applied early!). i got a low scholarship (excellence for 10k freshman, 5k subsequent semesters) and the rest were loans. i guess it's state U for me.</p>

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<p>What most people fail to take into consideration when attending NEU is the fact that they're going to be making money while on co-op which can significantly reduce the cost of attendance. My financial package was by no means attractive. They gave me 10k in scholarship with 5k in federal loans. I came into Northeastern as a transfer/middler from a community college and transferred in 60 something credits (much cheaper). </p>

<p>That said, most co-ops can expect to earn anywhere between 15k-30k for a 6 month stint of employment, with those in the 30k range being in the minority. Multiply this by three and you end up with a range of 45-90k (before taxes) that a student can contribute to their education. </p>

<p>After completing two co-ops, I plan on graduating next year from NEU with roughly 10k in debt, which by all standards is pretty damn good. If you're smart about your money and you know how to play the game, such opportunities can be afforded to you. Did I spend my co-op money on a car or expensive clothing, jewelry, etc...? No, I invested it toward my education. That is precisely what education is, it's an INVESTMENT into your future. If you want to demand a high salary upon graduating you're going to have to give up some dough to go to a top school. Always remember that it takes money to make money, nothing comes handed to you on a silver platter.</p>

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<p>I actually did take the co-op into mind. I asked someone from the school of nursing how much one typically makes per hour and she said $11 - $15, with a $ - $3 differential on nights and weekends. Even with that money, it's not enough to cover a good amount of what I need to pay. Also, I was wondering this before -- does co-op affect your EFC (as a student asset)? Because if it does, my EFC would be even higher than I've already got.
I'm not really considering transferring either since nursing seems a bit hard to transfer from one school to the next (but I might ask someone about that - I could then consider it after).</p>