<p>Is there a list anywhere of large major state universities that will meet the need for out of state students?</p>
<p>I do not think there is even a list of schools that meet need for IN- state students.
But there are some states where out of state students pay just a bit over instate tuition.
Flagships are not generally included however.</p>
<p>For example.
<a href=“The 16 States and Territories We Serve | WICHE Region”>http://wiche.edu/states</a></p>
<p>Since OOS publics charge high rates for a reason (you don’t pay taxes there), it doesn’t make much sense to then cover those high costs with “need based aid”. Otherwise, why bother to charge high OOS rates, right?</p>
<p>Most Flagships don’t even have enough money to meet need for their instate students. Can you imagine the annoyance if they were meeting need for OOS students whose costs are much higher? </p>
<p>That said, UVA and UNC do do this…but those schools are very hard to get into as an OOS student, so it could be argued that that aid has a “merit quality” to it.</p>
<p>There are some flagships that give large merit to OOS students for HIGH stats. </p>
<p>As mom2 say this is a short list, UVA and UNC being the only two known to meet need for OOS. And as she also says, they are very hard to get into OOS and as you probably know, all colleges define your need, not you.</p>
<p>Here’s a year old slide show from Kiplinger’s but I’m very skeptical of the UCs being included as well as some of the others. Best values are a combination of lower out of state costs to begin with and aid and is relative. If you can afford $25-$30k some of these schools may work but if you’re high need probably only UNC and UVA have a chance of working if you can get it. Read the details. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/college/T014-S001-10-best-values-in-public-colleges-for-out-of-state/”>http://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/college/T014-S001-10-best-values-in-public-colleges-for-out-of-state/</a></p>
<p>The UCs will not give any OOS aid to cover the OOS portion of their tuition. so, the MINIMUM an OOS person has to pay is: EFC plus $23,000 per year. Any aid given will only be towards the instate COA (after EFC is deducted) and WILL include full loans…</p>
<p>And, it could be also argued that since it’s hard for an OOS student to get into a top UC, then any accepted students who do get some UC grants are essentially getting aid with a merit aspect as well. </p>
<p>Dave…do you know what your approx “determined need” might be? Have you run any Net Price Calculators? I see that you’re a Penn State grad, have you run that one? </p>
<p>I think another reason that OOS publics don’t usually meet need (or even come close) is because most are FAFSA only schools, so they’re not getting a full picture of need anyway.</p>
<p>Also, don’t pay attention to any stats of “avg need met”. Those are meaningless for OOS students since most students are instate, so their need is lower and easier to cover. Also, that stat only includes those who ENROLLED. it doesn’t include all that got lousy pkgs who declined.</p>
<p>However, it is possible that some out-of-state public schools are low priced enough to be within your price limit even without financial aid. For example, someone with a price limit of $25,000 per year may want to look at schools like Truman State, University of Minnesota - Morris, South Dakota public universities, etc…</p>
<p>The OP did ask about flagships specifically. Only 5 on the slide show I linked to were in that category. Don’t know if the flagship qualification was for perceived quality/prestige or big time sports or what.</p>
<p>^^^
Probably. also likely because the “non-flagships” are more likely going to be commuter/suitcase schools with few OOS students and not much to do outside of the classroom…which an OOS student often needs.</p>
<p>I asked on the off chance that someone had run some Net Cost Calculations. I know Penn State gives nothing and ran there calculator and my assumption was confirmed. We visited UVa and Va Tech earlier this week and both of those schools do give meet some need for OOS as does UNC. Georgia Tech, Arizona, and Oregon also shows some grant aid but doesn’t meet full need. I just got tired of going though all the big schools.</p>
<p>I asked for large flagships info because my wife and I both went to a large school (Penn State) and loved the experience. Because they don’t give any aid and don’t take being a legacy into account at all we just can’t afford the OOS tuition.</p>
<p>My daughter wants to be a big time marching band and travel to bowl games.</p>
<p>I just looked at the Kiplinger slide show and got very depressed. We live in New York and must be subsidizing OOS students because there were several SUNY schools on the list. So I have to pay for OOS students to come here and for my daughter to go someone else. I hate paying double.</p>
<p>The cheapest flagships are probably in the South Dakota (USD, SDSU, SDSMT) price range.</p>
<p>The schools in the slide show are the best value, not the cheapest. The cheapest OOS schools are Alaska and Wyoming, with North and South Dakota, Montana, Utah schools also rather inexpensive for OOS. Wyoming is ~$14,200 for tuition, but there are several scholarships available to bring that down. Big marching band.</p>
<p>Penn State won’t be going to any bowl games for a while. Your daughter may also like the southern flagships as most have big bands and big football teams that do go to bowl games.</p>
<p>“My daughter wants to be a big time marching band and travel to bowl games.”</p>
<p>what are your D’s stats? She may qualify for merit at a southern school that has big bands and goes to bowl games? </p>
<p>If she’d been looking at UVA, UNC, and GT, then she must have strong stats? What are her test scores?</p>
<p>How much CAN you pay each year?</p>
<p>What do you think your FAFSA EFC is?</p>
<p>Edited to add…</p>
<p>Your D is a soph. How did she do on the PSAT? What is her career goal?</p>
<p>Arkansas waives oos tuition in some circumstances, ut-austin does in some circumstances (very specific), and others may waive it based on act, gpa, or if they receive any merit scholarships. I know the univ of arkansas does but not likely bowl contenders. Missouri no longer does starting in 2014 fall. Mom2collegekids has the facts on alabama I believe. Wyoming looks inexpensive per above.</p>
<p>University of Utah has relatively cheap oos tuition and a marching band. after the first year provided the student meets all of the residency requirements which are much easier than other states the student gets instate for year 2 3 and 4 </p>
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<p>I doubt you’re paying for OOS students to go to SUNYs. And your D doesn’t HAVE to go OOS. So if you do pay a lot for an OOS school, it will be your choice.</p>
<p>On the other hand, with strong stats, your D could get super merit awards to go OOS to a school with big bands. so, in that case, someone else will be paying for your D. </p>
<p>If your daughter has plans to be a STEM major, I recommend she look at South Dakota School of Mines & Technology. But if she’s looking for that ACC or SEC athletic experience, well you won’t find that in S.D., except maybe at SDSU basketball games, which is a Division I program that has recently made it into the NCAA tournament. The upside of SDSMT, besides the excellent academics, is the value.</p>
<p>If she wants Marching Band experience and a school that travels to bowl games, then (I think) she needs football schools with winning teams. If she wants to go to a bowl game that lots of people watch, then that may even more limit the number of schools.</p>
<p>There are two OOS public flagships that meet full need for OOS students, but both of them (UNC Chapel HIll and U. of Virginia) require the CSS Profile – so it will not be the same as meeting your need based on FAFSA, and in most cases, not even close. </p>