Fletcher vs. SAIS

<p>I am new to this discussion board, but I have been looking around and it seems like you all know a huge amount about IR Masters programs. I would love to get your thoughts comparing Fletcher to SAIS.</p>

<p>Obviously Medford vs D.C. is a big difference. I have heard that DC is the place to be for IR, but then again Fletcher seems to have a very strong reputation. Would a Fletcher student be at a disadvantage when looking for a job?</p>

<p>What do you think are other important considerations?</p>

<p>I really appreciate your insight.</p>

<p>I know absolutely nothing, but that doesn't mean I won't answer your post.</p>

<p>Fletcher has a wonderful rep for the quality of its program. I'm currently applying to IR programs, but I didn't choose to apply there for a few reasons:</p>

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<li><p>It's in suburban Boston, which makes it hard to find good internship/networking opportunities like you can in DC, with the government, multilateral organizations, NGOs, embassies, etc.; and NY, with the UN and lots of NGOs.</p></li>
<li><p>I've spoken to lots of people who work in development (granted, most of them are in DC) over the past year as I've researched programs, and Fletcher doesn't come up in many people's lists of the top programs to go to. I think that's partly a function of the school being located out of the power corridors of DC and NY, so this is probably a corollary of point #1.</p></li>
<li><p>SAIS is viewed as one of the top, if not THE top, IR program, especially for anyone who wants to get into economics. Their IDev program is really only for people who have professional development experience, though, which is different from most other programs (and annoying, IMO). On a purely anecdotal level, I've met some people who really liked the program and some who have a major issue with certain aspects of it. I spoke with a waiter who goes there a couple of months ago, and he's in the IDev program and is ticked because they overhauled the curriculum this year and he now finds himself needing to take additional courses. I also met one guy last summer who went there for something foofy like peace studies, and he was temping and very bitter.</p></li>
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<p>If you're looking for a job, there's no question that it's better to be located physically in the same city where the jobs are. You can meet people at networking events; you can call them up and ask to take them to lunch for an informational interview; you can work part-time at an organization you're interested in while you do your studies.</p>

<p>Also, unless I'm mistaken, Fletcher doesn't offer a part-time option. If you want to do an internship or work during the school year, you'd be out of luck.</p>

<p>I applied to both schools, they both look very engaging! In particular, they seem to have close-knit student bodies and a fun, constructive atmosphere. Of course, maybe I'm easily swayed by marketing. =/</p>

<p>I found the student blogs on Fletcher's site useful -- perhaps you will too. It gives me a good idea of their operational tempo as well as what opportunities they have for job fairs and meeting key figures.</p>

<p><a href="http://blogs.fletcher.tufts.edu/reflections/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://blogs.fletcher.tufts.edu/reflections/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Thanks for your thoughts.</p>

<p>The students blogs are definitely interesting. They kind of fit with the theme that I have reading about Fletcher students being very happy with their program and really enjoying themselves.</p>

<p>I'm not really that interested in part-time. I have been working full time for the past couple years and I am actually looking forward to being back in academic life for a while. I appreciate the points about SAIS. I have heard great things about the program, especially for economics which is kind of my field. That is actually the biggest draw for me about JHU. At the same time, I am actually somewhat concerned about the DC location with no campus and no university facilities - I kind of like the suburban campus feel at Tufts without to many distractions. </p>

<p>Does anyone know if SAIS offers language courses at the DC campus. I am a little rusty and would love a refresher course or two before taking a language exam. I know Fletcher lets students audit courses at Tufts.</p>

<p>Also, I have heard that more Fletcher students go on to a phd and that doing a thesis is helpful. No idea where that comes from, but it gives me that impression that SAIS is better for jobs, but Fletcher is better is you are considering academia. Any idea if there is any truth to that or if it is purely anecdotal? </p>

<p>If there are any current students out there, I would love to hear your perspective. Thanks.</p>

<p>SAIS absolutely offers language classes in DC. Check their Web site.</p>

<p>I went to SAIS for a Master's because it was in DC, and it was one of the best decisions I've made in my life. </p>

<p>I've had friends who went to Fletcher and had a great experience, but you'd never find me living in Medford. For those inclined, though, Fletcher has a joint degree program with Harvard Business School and Fletcher students, I believe, can cross-enroll in certain HBS classes -- or maybe it's just that some HBS profs teach there.</p>

<p>In general, SAIS had 7 or 8 different kinds of graduates: those who went on for a PhD (economics, politics, political economy, regional studies, anthropology), those who went to New York for investment banking or other financial services jobs, those who went into other general business kinds of jobs, those who did non-profit work overseas or domestically, those who did government policy or administration work overseas or domestically including the foreign service, those who work in international agencies, journalists, and, yes, those who temp for awhile and are bitter. </p>

<p>Is SAIS bad to those who end up in the last category? The problem, I found, was that people who went to SAIS without good experience and credentials weren't necessarily "remade" into someone who could go into a completely different kind of work just through the power of the SAIS degree. In this way, the degree is rather like an MBA, perhaps only more so. (I would say if you know you want to go into general business versus finance, you'd be better off getting a business degree or go to SAIS' joint degree program with Wharton (MA/MBA) which teaches courses like marketing and strategy).</p>

<p>But the great breadth of different things SAIS students choose to do is one of the things that makes it interesting. You won't necessarily get focus from SAIS if you lack that, but it will move you down the road well, if you started out with good credentials both from school and work. Of course, arguably you won't get in if you don't.</p>

<p>It's really hard to generalize about other programs that you didn't go to, but I'll try to do so:</p>

<p>SAIS: Based in DC, a great place to be if you want to launch yourself into a DC-type job and want to know how the city works. It is a separate, urban campus far from Johns Hopkins in Baltimore. For me, this was great -- to be in DC and not to have to contend with undergraduates and other graduate students. There are some tremendous adjunct professors who work in the high reaches of government or think tanks and want to teach at the pre-eminent foreign policy school in DC.
Fletcher: I think Fletcher suffers from its location, on balance, but it is a fantastic program and I think has great facilities. I'll admit this reflects my bias.
SIPA (Columbia): If New York isn't a distraction for you, I think it could be a great place to be. It shares resources with other parts of Columbia, which I would not want.
When I applied and went, I was under the impression SAIS was the most difficult to get into -- and I had friends at SIPA who hadn't gotten into SAIS. But there were counterexamples too, I discovered; I think broadly speaking the quality of the students is more or less equivalent between these programs. I had a friend, high scorer on the GREs, Stanford grad with a good GPA, who didn't get into SAIS because (it seemed), he hadn't done much with himself after college except teach English in Asia. He went to SIPA and loved it. And he definitely was in a more exciting city, though living there as a student I think would be oppressive.</p>

<p>Just some random thoughts....</p>

<p>One note on location:</p>

<p>Location is important, but it's not absolutely necessary to be in DC to get an internship on the East Coast. I got one with State, and I know someone who got one with a big-name firm in New York (for his sake, I'll keep it private.)</p>

<p>I'm in San Diego, for the record.</p>

<p>Between SAIS and Fletcher, I'd probably still go for SAIS as a default, but I wouldn't say that Fletcher is an automatic lose to SAIS.</p>

<p>Sorry about that - thanks I see the language classes now.</p>

<p>Incredulous, I appreciate the extremely insightful and interesting perspective on SAIS. Out of curiousity, which of the different kinds of graduates are you - it sounds like you had a very good experience?</p>

<p>I think Ari's point about location is also very valid, being in DC is great, but I guess it isn't an absolute necessity by any stretch of the imagination. Having gone to NYU for undergrad, I am not sure if I want to be back in the big city environment dealing with all the distractions.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone.</p>

<p>Actually, DC is unlike any other city in the US in terms of looks, feel, and atmosphere. First off, it's one of the only cities whose population nearly doubles in the morning (around 500,000-1mil), and goes back down at night. IMO, it's nothing like NYC. It can feel bustling and alive during the afternoon, and peaceful at night. It's awesome. I wouldn't worry about being "...back in the big city environment dealing with all the distractions."</p>

<p>DC is so not in the league of NY..... actually, for anyone who's used to the amenities of NY, DC will likely feel like a Martian outpost. The "distractions" of DC mostly involve getting mugged and having bricks thrown at you by marauding adolescents. In terms of nightlife and stuff to do, not so much.</p>

<p>Hello? Adam's Morgan...Dupont? There is DEFINITELY a great nightlife there, and tons to do around the city (free museums, concerts, etc.) And while it's not necessarily the safest city, there are places you can feel at home w/o worrying about getting mugged.</p>

<p>Um, you haven't actually lived in NY, have you? Because DC nightlife is really, really, <em>really</em> lame. Especially if you went to college in the Village.</p>

<p>I'm not saying the museums and free events and everything aren't wonderful. But, trust me on this one - DC makes Jackson Heights, Queens look kind of exciting.....</p>

<p>(And we're digressing from the thread.)</p>

<p>Anyway, getting back to the Fletcher vs. SAIS issue...</p>

<p>I just went to some IR/PS alumni thing tonight, and someone asked how well IR/PSers are represented at various agencies (generally well, thank you very much.)</p>

<p>But something struck me as interesting. The alumni panelist said that people from basically all the top ten schools are pretty well represented at the top agencies, and Fletcher was mentioned. </p>

<p>So I think that this helps.</p>

<p>Thanks for coming back to Fletcher vs. Sais.</p>

<p>It is definitely good to hear from people in the work field. If alumni from all of the top schools are quite well represented at top agencies then does it matter which school? Since both schools offer a strong concentration in my area of interest, should cost and a sense of fitting in well be the priority in picking an IR Masters?</p>

<p>I'm not an IR person, but I offer some general wisdom. All things being equal, go where you're happiest. You're likely to be more productive, make a better impressions, and learn more in a place you are happy.</p>

<p>Does anyone know about the chances of scholarship aid at SAIS and Fletcher? Other that finding a place that makes you happy this will extremely important.</p>

<p>Also, where do most SAIS students live? I really don't know DC at all, but I have heard it is expensive.</p>

<p>Most students at SAIS live in apartments somewhere in NW DC near the campus. An adequate 1-br in Dupont near the campus probably will run somewhere around $1400-1500/month, a studio maybe around $1100-ish.</p>

<p>That is definitely a fair amount more expensive than apartments in the Medford / Somerville area. I know it makes a big difference being right in DC versus being outside of Boston, but almost everyone I know in the Boston area lives in Somerville anyway. It is kind of the cool, but cheap place to be. I don't really know much about the Dupont area.</p>

<p>I wouldn't call Dupont "cool" by any stretch of the imagination (DC doesn't really do "cool" - it does "upscale" and "professional" quite well, and a passable "trendy," but "cool" ... not so much.)</p>

<p>Dupont is a beautiful neighborhood with lots of gorgeous Victorian homes, embassies, a great bookstore (Kramerbooks) that's open 24 hours on the weekends and often has live music, a great independent CD store, etc. Lots of mediocre, overpriced restaurants. It's reasonably safe for DC and has a lot of activity, and it's very easy to get to and from anywhere in the city via Metro.</p>

<p>For that last reason alone, it's filled with lots of fresh-faced 20-somethings who get monthly checks from Mommy and Daddy to pay for their apartments, car insurance, grad school tuition, etc.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, most safe-ish neighborhoods in DC all cost the same. DC is unusual in that it's composed of two distinct economic classes - educated, upper-middle class and wealthy people who work in government, etc., and the ghetto. There are really no middle-class neighborhoods where you can walk around at night and find the urban amenities you're used to. Capitol Hill is <em>slightly</em> cheaper, but you also find a lot of basement apartments with weird flooding issues and perhaps some security issues, too (it's easier to break into a basement than a sixth-floor apartment.)</p>