Florida In-State Tuition for Illegal Immigrants

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<p>The IRS informed us that someone else is filing a tax return using one of our SSNs. They didn’t tell us which one, and they didn’t say what, if anything they were going to do about it. They told us we had to file our returns by snail mail from now on, with a paper form that they provided attached. </p>

<p>The IRS also instructed us to contact the SSA, so I did. The SSA told me they don’t do anything about it (huh?) and that I should be sure to keep an eye on my credit reports.</p>

<p>When someone steals your SSN, it is all up to you to deal with it.</p>

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<p><a href=“Court May Hold Fate of Children Knocked Off Citizenship Path - The New York Times”>Court May Hold Fate of Children Knocked Off Citizenship Path - The New York Times;

<p>An example of some of the idiocy on how we treat those who are here illegally. A number of these children aged up while waiting in line for their green cards, and end up illegal because they are now 21. They are documented, very much so, but have become or will become illegal because of the legal process here. Instead of dealing with issues like this more effectively, we come up with rules and situations to make it easier for those who are not even in the line! This is the sort of thing that makes me crazy.</p>

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<p>Some of the stuff on this thread is offensive and racist. The venomous attitude against living and breathing human beings is staggering and way over the top. </p>

<p>My old college buddy was Mexican decent from Texas. His family has been there since it WAS Mexico. The Europeans pretty much wiped out the Native American population. Who is really the alien?</p>

<p>I’m actually enjoying the fact that all of these hardworking people with a lot of ingenuity are here living a good life and making a go at it and contributing to our economy while at the same time annoying the heck out of some of you people. It’s a win-win as far as I’m concerned. </p>

<p>There, I said it. </p>

<p>Hat’s off to Florida for getting it right. </p>

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<p>A win-win? I don’t see much of a positive to illegally living in a country, annoying the heck out of some people, and having to keep looking over your shoulder in fear of being deported. Or coming back home to find your brother has been deported just two days after your husband was taken away. That’s far from a win-win as far as I’m concerned.</p>

<p>There, I said it.</p>

<p>Now, I’m unsure how I feel about Florida’s decisions, but focusing on the lives that are directly affected by the immigration laws and sanctions are far more important to me than jabs to those who are unaffected. </p>

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<p>Niquii, I’m sympathetic. We should naturalize these people. </p>

<p>But really, for the vast majority of them, if life wasn’t better then they would have left like many of the Brazillians did a few years ago.
<a href=“Brazilians Leaving The U.S. Behind”>http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/05/02/brazilians-leaving-the-u-s-behind/&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>The push to deport undocumented immigrants isn’t really that effective. There are just too many. </p>

<p>I applaud the ingenuity that it takes to live here under these circumstances and have no doubt that they will prevail eventually. They are our neighbors. It’s only logical. </p>

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<p>Well, then why don’t we just have open borders? Not enforcing laws in not logical, imho.</p>

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<p>I’m sorry, ClassicRockerDad. I didn’t mean to come off attacking you. I’m unsatisfied with the system at hand. I don’t know how to fix it. All I know is it isn’t working. </p>

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<p>Works for me. We sort of already HAVE open borders, why pretend. </p>

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<p>We can naturalize the people who live here. Then we won’t have so many people here illegally. </p>

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<p>Stopped reading right there.
No need to perpetuate stereotypes.</p>

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<p>It isn’t working because the politicians aren’t willing to support the laws that we have.<br>
The current administration is released hard-working convicted criminals (murderers, kidnappers and sexual assault were some of the charges). Released over 30k last year.
<a href=“Government released hundreds of immigrant felons”>http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/14/immigration-releases-convicted-felons/9090557/&lt;/a&gt;
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Does it take a long time to become a citizen legally?<br>
Sure.
But so what?
Let’s say it took 30 minutes and a $5 fee. We would possibly fill the quota within a day or so. In other words, have the same number of legal immigrants every year. Yes, that would be more humane and would be great. But it wouldn’t solve the problem that we have a huge demand for people wanting to come to this country. With almost 17,000,000,000,000 in debt, there is only so much the country can do.</p>

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<p>Not sure why you are proposing half-measures. We should just naturalize everyone. Make being a US citizen the default when you are born regardless of country. You can always renounce it later…with no restriction to an auto renewal if you want. This way we save a lot of paperwork and there is no uncertainty about whether someone can move to the US.</p>

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<p>This is the kind of creative thinking I like. Now we’re moving toward a real solution. Bravo!</p>

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<p>So what advice do you give to those people lined up in our embassies overseas, who are applying for a visa: Don’t bother w the visa application. We’ll pay to send your kids to grade school & college. We’ll give you free health care. C’mon in! </p>

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<p>That’s what I said. </p>

<p>Instead of Visa, I’m proposing American Express!</p>

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<p>It’s not win-win. The appalling conditions in which some of these families live in the midst of some of the most wealthy areas of this country, and they are exploited as well is not a win. Many come here because of some ideals that do not happen. That we throw them some bones as enticements to have more coming is a crime. Just as it’s a crime that they are here. I live less than a mile from the slums where many live and loiter, waiting to be picked up for a day’s work, under the table. I know the woman (yes, she’s a lovely person when you meet her, who rents to them–they are packed in some homes, 20 deep, but they pay the rent, so what?) When they get in trouble, they disappear. You won’t think it’s such a win if one hits you or uses your kid’s id that he lost or got stolen. Or your SSN shows up being used, either.</p>

<p>My son has a friend whose parents came here to teach. The young man, bright,talented writer went to a selective private college well regarded. was still on the list to become legal, to get his green card. His brother aged up and became illegal. So he works catching as catch can but can’t pass an I9 check legitimately. There is falsified ID involved, I know so he can work some jobs. He’s documented, but illegal and awaiting a Supreme Court decision as to what to do. Many are here illegally altogether and will continue this way. We can’t even get to processing the ones who come here legally so we make stop gap measures that just encourage the problem to grow.</p>

<p>In Miami, when my parents were there, the schools ballooned in attendance and problems and crime took a huge uptick when Cuba opened it’s doors to kick out loads of criminals and others that were too much trouble for them and unloaded them on us. Big outrage, but those who lived in south Florida really took the hit. My dad was getting chemo then, and his doctor was Cuban, trying to treat those there illegally. They would have done better that way in Cuba, from what I understand. They could not get a lot of the medical treatment for their cancers. That’s just one tiny bit that I personally saw. The kids were often living substandardly. We give them just enough so that they want to stay, but not enough for a decent life, and enough to entice others to come… It also lowers the standards (for pay, conditions, safety) for work, opportunities, as one can get away with more with those who will work for less, put up with more and take anything. </p>

<p>When you see what happens to an area that gets a huge influx of needy people and it ups the crime, decreases the sanitation, makes the place sleazier, you won’t want open immigration. </p>

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<p>Well, I can see from your racist reaction that it’s at least a half-win :-). </p>

<p>THOSE Spanish speaking human beings struggling to get by living in your community annoy you just by breathing the same air. </p>

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And there we have it folks… the shut down comment…label it racist and you’ve won the argument.</p>

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<p>Who said they were all Spanish speaking or Latino even? A little racism there, eh, ClassicRockerDad. Wish I could move them outside of your neighborhood, and you’ll get a real life experience on this. </p>

<p>It’s not even a half win, IMO for some of those families and kids. IT’s a big win for those families you have them clean their houses, do lawn work, home repair for a fraction of what they would have to pay legitimately. Does wonders for those trying to work legally. The same with the businesses who employ them. Trying to open such shops legitimately is very difficult. I know a restaruant owner who rents a house to stack 'em like logs so they can work for him for pennies on the dollar. It’s not altruisim that makes him support the illegal workers, I assure you. He’d just as soon spread the cost of his work cache among everyone too. It would be a problem if they wanted to go back home to their families and having kids around all day with no one to supervise is an issue too, so bring’em here and let them go to school. </p>

<p>I know some who have had illegal live ins at their home. Stuck them in an unfinished basement room–no exaggeration here, had them working ridiculous hours at little pay, and said that they’d be better off here anyways. than where they lived so it’s a favor they are doing. </p>

<p>There are those who sneak in here who know what they are doing and scramble right through the system. They buy a spouse ($12K), buy good quality ID ( $3K) and just juice it. There are also those here who are just barely getting by. IF they disappear, no one even notices to report them. Bu they are still doing better, I guess, than in their home countries, right? </p>

<p>I do not think our system of operation should be such to abet illegality and that’s what we are doing. I am sharing the air with them, by the way, a lot closer than most people are who pontificate about it, and I do so without contributing to their illegal presence the best I can.</p>

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<p>One hundred years ago people like you had the same attitudes about my Jewish grandparents and the sweatshops they had to work in. Guess what, they formed labor unions, educated their children, and the next generation did better. So did the other immigrant groups. Whatever filth and abuse they had to endure was better than the institutionalized persecution and hopelessness in Russia. </p>

<p>The ones that come here are the ones with hopes and American dreams. Those are the ones I want. We can do better. </p>

<p>“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”. </p>

<p>I don’t really see a huge difference except 100 years ago, the US had the good sense to naturalize them. </p>

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<p>CRD: my parents came from Germany and Poland. They came LEGALLY. There’s the difference.</p>