<p>Does your AIM sn end in 2007? I think we have, and if it does, that's probably how we talked about it.</p>
<p>Yes; as you can tell from this forum (and also how people find me on facebook), my AIM is NDpsych2007</p>
<p>hey guys, notre dame football is AMAZING! dont doubt the funness that you will experience there</p>
<p>GO IRISH</p>
<p>For those who see this thread, ND4Life later came out and said that what he said in this thread was not true. I just wanted to post this because I may post this link on my website and I just wanted you guys to know, I am not trying to trash ND4Life.</p>
<p>Some of you people are a goddamn embarrassment to the University of Notre Dame.</p>
<p>Go to another school if you feel pressured into buying tickets.</p>
<p>Actually, I find it far more embarrassing that we have people that post responses like this. Yes, football is big at ND, but that isn't why you should go to Notre Dame and there is a lot more to being part of Notre Dame than football. If you do not understand that, I truly doubt you understand anything about what Notre Dame is all about. This is about family, and supporting each other, and people have different preferences. I wish everyone would buy tickets and at least give it a try, even if you don't like football, but I won't blame anyone if they don't want tickets (heck, better seats for me). </p>
<p>Judging people like that just isn't right in my opinion, and that is coming from someone who is a huge Notre Dame fan and subscribes to several recruiting services so I can get the inside scoop. I get what you are saying but I spent the whole season next to guys that were so drunk at the games that they didn't know what was going on. If you want to see disgrace, that is it. I have nothing against those that don't buy tickets if it isn't their thing, I would prefer that then them coming to the game completely drunk and yelling at the recruits and telling their moms that they are hot. </p>
<p>Just try to accept that you can be a part of Notre Dame and not be into football. If you can't get that, perhaps Ohio State is the school for you?</p>
<p>I stand by what I said.</p>
<p>ND should have more people who love the University or at least would be open to giving something so big like football a shot. Not someone who is say "Damn, I was kind of hoping I wouldn't be the only one who didn't go to games." That is an embarrassment and I hope they are reading this. You should know that by applying to Notre Dame, football is big and you better be open to being apart of it. Same thing if you apply to Harvard, you better be open to being a huge dork.</p>
<p>You talk about family and supporting people who might not have the same opinion as you. What about the football players or thousands upon thousands of individuals who were not given the oppurtunity to attend ND that we still consider family? The same person who is saying that they weren't going to buy tickets is the same person that stays in on Friday and Saturday nights telling me that I should keep it down at 2 a.m. They are the same person that adds NOTHING to the university other than through their studies. That, my friend, is an embarrassment to Notre Dame.</p>
<p>I'm not advocating getting black-out drunk and going to the games (Been there, done that and I was embarrassed I didn't remember some of the game), but if you can't give up six (I guess now it is seven) Saturdays in the Fall to put down the books and watch Notre Dame football, one of the university's time-honored traditions, well you are an embarrassment and I don't respect you. Go to a place like BC where it's okay not to go to games. </p>
<p>We don't need more people like this.</p>
<p>I agree with some of this. I don't think you can argue that you have to go to football games in order to support the players just because I don't go to the women's volleyball games or men's soccer (though I have a friend on the team and I need to go). </p>
<p>I wish they would give it a chance, don't get me wrong, and I hope they do because I think they will learn how much fun a football game is (and perhaps learn some about football). I just don't want to discourage people who would make ND better in other ways from coming here just because of football, plus maybe football will grow on them. </p>
<p>I do agree with you on the setting, however. One of the things that makes ND special is it is a great school but it doesn't feel like an Ivy League, in a good way. It is not as nerdy and uptight IMO, so I definately feel you there, that is something I like a lot as well.</p>
<p>Just out of curiousity, are you on NDNation? This sounds like many a topic I used to see over there :). I gave up on NDNation but now am mostly on IrishIllustrated.com with the name Irish80122</p>
<p>I'm on NDNation more during the season. I usually just lurk.</p>
<p>I belong to both Mike Frank's site and Irish Illustrated, but everyday I feel like I should cancel II. The only good thing about that site is the Rivals network and some of the video they have. Mike Frank is the best in the business, no questions asked. He actually has sources, unlike the other guys (besides Prister) at II. I love how they confirmed the DB was not visiting. I'm betting that they had no idea, heard what the Rivals guys said and that the rumblings (mostly from Mike's site) was that the coaches were on vacation and that was their confirmation. You also have all that useless clutter from some posters. I just don't like it and will likely unsubscribe.</p>
<p>Believe me, I'm not trying to get Mike business, but I've been following him for about 5 years now and not once have I regretted dishing out $100 to hear about 16 year old kids being recruited for football. Give it a chance, Mike's site rules.</p>
<p>I have subscribed to Irish Eyes before but I wasn't all that thrilled with it, but perhaps I should try it again. The articles haven't thrilled me but I didn't spend all that much time on the boards (I do at Rivals though). Is all the good stuff on the boards, perhaps I just missed it and should try again?</p>
<p>I like Rivals mainly because I think their football rankings are much more accurate than Scout and I also subscribe to the Colorado rivals site. Do you ever post on II, perhaps I have seen you there? That would be ironic.</p>
<p>I know what you mean, I was not impressed with the Gary Gray thing either and I am a bit bummed that those guys haven't stepped up and taken the blame for screwing up. Just disappearing isn't cool!</p>
<p>ummm...one thing guys. I live in South Bend, and my dad's an ND prof, so i've grown up living and breathing Notre Dame football. I'm not even a member of any subscription fan service, but could probably give most a run for their money as far as stats go, etc. (prolly not you guys it looks like, haha, just emphasizing that i'm an nd fball nut). However, I wanted to point something out. Let me preface this by saying I'm truly not attempting to insult anyone, far from it, just kinda throwing some thoughts out there.</p>
<p>Notre Dame has a large football tradition. That's rather obvious, there's no denying it. I have pushed friends, family, family friends, incoming students, international students all to football games, telling them that even if the sport didn't appeal, the game would still be mad fun, because a notre dame game is a unique experience in and of itself; I always urge them to take the opportunity. However, I respect decisions not to do so, and I don't feel it appropriate to unduly pressure them to see the games.</p>
<p>Notre Dame is first and foremost an academic and catholic institution (hell, I'm hindu and i'm saying this). It has a MASSIVE sports program (which I absolutely love), but disliking football while still loving notre dame is not a disrespect to the university, nor a disgrace. One more often comes to notre dame for the love of the overarching university, not the love of knute rockne stadium. The two loves CAN be mutually exclusive, because it's not only the football program that makes the school great. It's the unmatched academics, the traditions that stretch far beyond football, the grotto, the quads, the giant families that are the halls, the beauty of the lakes, and everything else in between that also make Notre Dame "Notre Dame", if that makes any sense...</p>
<p>Not going to a football game does not exclude someone from making a non-academic contribution to the university, nor does it make one prone to nagging others at 2am...speaking from the perspective of someone who has seen hundreds, if not thousands of people pass through the university I personally know, most enjoying ND football, but some choosing not to, not to personally disrespect you but because that was not what made Notre Dame magical to them, seeing all of them make a contribution in their own way (outside of, as well as in academics), I actually find your remarks relatively insulting BoondockSaint. I'm not trying to offend you either, truly understand, but do you see where I'm coming from? That mostly concludes my relatively futile fight with the run-on sentence...sorry about that...</p>
<p>That being said, I call a rematch of the fiesta bowl in 2007, ND takes down OSU...you with me? Then 2 years later (giving Jimmy Clausen a year to adjust, and that nasty year of like no seniors) a repeat, and the dynasty is on! (it's an ND fball forum, i have to be a madly-obsessive fan at least a LITTLE bit :-D)</p>
<p>Hopefully not; with the revamped BCS the Fiesta Bowl is the lowest of the BCS bowls next year. I am hoping for the National Title Game!</p>
<p>The new BCS changes are confusing. So I'm gusesing that the National Championship game is for the top two teams, and the four other bowls in the Bowl Championship Series are for the teams who rank after them?</p>
<p>haha, yeah, something like that...though the BCS games have never been determined solely by rank...but yeah irish68178, that was my bad, what i meant to say was ND v. OSU rematch in arizona...i suppose specifically calling it the fiesta bowl was my error :-). go irish!</p>
<p>lol, don't worry, I was just trying to give you a bit of a hard time since you were doing such a good job showing off your football knowledge (you really were) so I just had to throw that in. I may not have remembered it if I hadn't played NCAA 07 on my Xbox yesterday! Anyways, I was just trying to kid you some, no worries. I hope you don't mind, just having some fun.</p>
<p>Ooh, I got NCAA 07 for PS2 yesterday. I was kinda disappointed because I didn't really like the changes, but I'm getting used to it now and it doesn't seem as bad as I thought.</p>
<p>haha, yeah, no worries at all, good to keep me on my toes :-). Go irish!</p>
<p>I have to say, reading this thread has made me a bit worried about the atmosphere of these football games. Personally, I love watching football. Watching the games during marching band has really made the game grow on me. </p>
<p>What I'm worried about is the level of rowdiness. I'm used to just sitting there observing the games in a concentrated manner punctuated with occational cries of joy or dismay depending on how each play goes. So is ND football so full of the screaming-till-your-lungs-bleed attitude that you wont be able to watch the game in peace?</p>
<p>I know how you feel, I am the same way (though I do yell at the TV some) but I think you will be fine. It is the screaming until your lungs bleed attitude, but you won't mind. What happens is you are among all of your fellow students, watching your fellow students, and you become part of the game. When ND scores a touchdown, you feel like it was you that caught the pass. When USC gets a BS call to win (sorry, little sore) you feel it just like the players do. You stand the whole game and you become a part of the game. The players look at you on third down, needing a bit more noise to help them get the stop that you both crave. You are a part of it, and because of that, you scream.</p>
<p>I definitely know what you mean, usually I am pretty calm while watching sports, but I think you will find what I did which is that you become a part of the game, and it becomes part of you. It is a lot of fun, trust me! However, we are very educated fans and I think you will find that you will be able to watch the game in peace, and we won't yell while we have the ball, and things like that. You will see, it isn't that noisy during the play usually (unless we are on defense) but after the play it can be loud if it was a bad call or a great play or what not. You will see, but don't stress it!</p>
<p>yeah...in the student section, unless you're unfortunate enough to be seated right next to a rather drunk group of individuals, you can just as easily appreciate ND in (relative) silence...just don't expect your surroundings to be silent with you, know that you're going to remain standing for 4 hours, and WILL be participating in the dancing, pushups, and various traditional answers to band songs :-). And as irish said, the education of the fans at ND in fball makes for very intelligent football discussion (punctuated with the occasional immature, hilarious remark that makes it fun). Liking football guarantees enjoying ND football gaems from the student section, apathy about football 99% guarantees love of ND football games from the student section, loathing of football still leaves enormous probablity that you will love ND football games from the student section...it's just unavoidable, i'm afraid :-)</p>