French Useful?

<p>(I also posted this in the high school forum, if this is against the rules, please remove it.)</p>

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>Well I am considering to take a second language as a Junior (I am already taking Spanish) and I was thinking of taking French. French is on my list of like 8 languages I would like to learn before I die but I was wondering how useful it would be. I am interested in majoring in something like International Relations/Government and Politics/History. Another language I would love to learn is Chinese and Arabic which are at the top of my list though are not offered at my school.</p>

<p>I was wondering whether I should just take French I class, probably do well in it, or self study Chinese or Arabic, or maybe try doing both? So maybe by the end of high school I will know/learning 3 languages plus English.</p>

<p>What do youguys think? Is French as useful to international politics as Chinese or Arabic would be?</p>

<p>I think French is nice to know, but it has gone through this change where it's not the "English of the world" anymore. It isn't as common to know French as say in the 1800s.</p>

<p>Good point glucose... then again, is there any language that is "the English of the world"? I mean, if the purpose was to compete with English, then what would be the point of learning a second language... and why would colleges encourage it? </p>

<p>I wonder, what might be the second most important language to learn besides English. I did once hear that for international business, German is extremely important... so what about for international politics?</p>

<p>Also: Does anyone think its possible to learn a language for one year and be able to take and get a 700+ on SAT II's?</p>

<p>France still actively participates in international affairs, but I feel that their language will not be as useful as Arabic or Chinese in the coming decades.</p>

<p>If you're strictly talking about use in world politics, I'd definitely pick either Arabic or Chinese. The former is spoken (albeit in many dialects) across a region that we're trying to influence, and the latter is spoken by over a billion people in a region that is trying to gain influence.</p>

<p>Nonsense. Many academic disciplines require a knowledge of French and/or German. Linguists still refer to Latin as a "power language" even though it's been dead for quite some time. The great thing about French and German is that they're key languages. If you know German, it's not too difficult to pick up Dutch, Afrikaans, or Scandinavian languages. If you know French, it's not too difficult to learn Romance languages like Spanish, Catalan, Portuguese, or Romanian. Although the Middle East and Asia are increasingly important, Europe should not be neglected.</p>

<p>I would stick with French in high school and then learn Chinese or Arabic in college. With your background in Spanish, learning French shouldn't be that hard.</p>

<p>The most useful languages to learn are arguably French, Spanish, German, Russian, Chinese, Hindi, Arabic, and Japanese.</p>

<p>I'd stick with Spanish.</p>

<p>So maybe just study French for one year (Junior year) and try learning Arabic/Chinese some other way? Btw, do you think one year french would be enough to be able to pass SAT II French? </p>

<p>Btw, fabrizio, you do make a good point about the regions we are trying to influence. A few decades ago it would make sense to say that Russian would be the most important language to learn and many did learn it, like Condaleeza Rice. </p>

<p>warblersrule, good point on being able to understand other languages with French - that's definitely a plus.</p>

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Nonsense. Many academic disciplines require a knowledge of French and/or German. Linguists still refer to Latin as a "power language" even though it's been dead for quite some time. The great thing about French and German is that they're key languages. If you know German, it's not too difficult to pick up Dutch, Afrikaans, or Scandinavian languages. If you know French, it's not too difficult to learn Romance languages like Spanish, Catalan, Portuguese, or Romanian. Although the Middle East and Asia are increasingly important, Europe should not be neglected.</p>

<p>I would stick with French in high school and then learn Chinese or Arabic in college. With your background in Spanish, learning French shouldn't be that hard.</p>

<p>The most useful languages to learn are arguably French, Spanish, German, Russian, Chinese, Hindi, Arabic, and Japanese.

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<p>Please give me examples of academic disciplines that require knowledges of either French or German beyond specialized vocabulary.</p>

<p>The big five Romance languages (Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, and Romanian) all descend from Latin, but their grammars have changed considerably when compared to Latin (e.g. lack of declension, loss of the six cases, etc.).</p>

<p>I agree that German and French have many similarities with their language brethren.</p>

<p>European languages shouldn't be neglected. I never suggested that. The OP was curious as to how useful French would be in comparison to Arabic and Chinese. My answer was that it will not be as useful. France hasn't been a true world power since the Suez Crisis. The U.S. Government is apprehensive of China and is involved with some tensions in the Middle East. Languages in these regions will prove to be useful.</p>

<p>French, Spanish, German, Russian, Chinese, Hindi, Arabic, and Japanese.</p>

<p>Like I previously wrote, the Suez Crisis did it for France. If you want to learn Spanish to be able to communicate with South American immigrants in the U.S., then it's not really a foreign language anymore. Spain itself is not a big player in world politics. Almost everyone in Germany speaks good English. I'm not belittling their language, but I do have doubts that German is important as a world language. Since the fall of the USSR, the demand for Russian has dropped. But that doesn't mean that Russia no longer has influence; it does. Chinese, Hindi, and Arabic could all prove to be very useful as China and India are vying for influence in East / South Asia, and we are heavily involved in the Middle East. The U.S. does not view Japan as a threat in any way, shape, or form. Japan is involved in world politics, but there's no demand if there's no security threat.</p>

<p>Demand for languages changes. Like A-San said, Russian used to be in very high demand. With respect to the U.S., a language becomes important when the corresponding nation or group poses a threat. There may be some anti-Americanism in the member states of the European Union, but we're not engaged in any wars over there, and we don't view any of them as security threats.</p>

<p>I think non-European languages should be emphasized more because they are more difficult to learn than Romance languages and the other Germanic languages. If one studies a Romance language seriously (ie. four intensive hours a day), then one can become proficient in about half a year. It takes almost two years at the same level of intensity to become proficient in Arabic or Chinese. Now is the time to study these languages.</p>

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Please give me examples of academic disciplines that require knowledges of either French or German beyond specialized vocabulary.

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Certainly. Many PhD programs (and some MA programs) require a reading knowledge of two languages other than English- typically French and German. For a partial list:
Anthropology
Art History
Classics
Cognitive Science
English
History
Linguistics
Mathematics
Music Theory
Philosophy
Religion</p>

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I think non-European languages should be emphasized more because they are more difficult to learn than Romance languages and the other Germanic languages. If one studies a Romance language seriously (ie. four intensive hours a day), then one can become proficient in about half a year. It takes almost two years at the same level of intensity to become proficient in Arabic or Chinese. Now is the time to study these languages.

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I was merely quoting my linguistics professors, who obviously didn't know what they were talking about. I humbly defer to your vast experience. ;) I neglected to mention Swahili, which they also claim is important to learn.</p>

<p>One year of French is definitely not enough for the SATII. I've taken French for 6 years and still found it pretty challenging. I did well, but I know many of my classmates were not as happy with their scores.</p>

<p>^ i agree. i took french for 3 years, looked at an SATII French practice test, and figured that there was no way i would be able to score 700+ on it. i would definitely not recommend taking it after only one year of french because there's just too much vocab and grammar that you wouldn't have learned yet.</p>

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Please give me examples of academic disciplines that require knowledges of either French or German beyond specialized vocabulary.

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A lot of physics and CS papers are written in German, as I just have proven to myself one more time yesterday :). German is still semi-language (English is already ahead) of science and mathematics.</p>

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Certainly. Many PhD programs (and some MA programs) require a reading knowledge of two languages other than English- typically French and German. For a partial list:
Anthropology
Art History
Classics
Cognitive Science
English
History
Linguistics
Mathematics
Music Theory
Philosophy
Religion

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<p>These fields (typically) require knowledges of French and German beyond technical vocabulary? I definitely acknowledge the existence of non-English terms in these fields, but I still doubt that they require working knowledges of the languages.</p>

<p>I can see Latin and Greek coming into play a lot for classics and religion, less so for French and German.</p>

<p>The only one that I would say 'yes' would be linguistics.</p>

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I was merely quoting my linguistics professors, who obviously didn't know what they were talking about. I humbly defer to your vast experience. I neglected to mention Swahili, which they also claim is important to learn.

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<p>You really didn't have to write that, as:</p>

<p>a) I didn't know you were quoting your professors.
b) I am in no position to challenge their authority.</p>

<p>Relax...</p>

<p>Besides, the OP specifically asked about French in relation to Arabic and Chinese for international affairs. I'm sure that the list is applicable to general use, but I'm not so sure about how useful they are in IA.</p>

<p>For example, Spanish is very useful - in the United States and for the wrong reasons. I shouldn't have to learn a language so that an immigrant can talk to me. It's not a foreign language if your purpose in using it is to communicate to someone inside your country!</p>

<p>You gave a list of professions where German is useful. It could very well be highly used in those academic professions. International affairs? Almost everyone in Germany speaks English, and he speaks it well.</p>

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These fields (typically) require knowledges of French and German beyond technical vocabulary? I definitely acknowledge the existence of non-English terms in these fields, but I still doubt that they require working knowledges of the languages.

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<p>Because there's a significant amount of research/litterature in those fields that has been and is still written in those languages. Not to know at least one or two of them is a major handicap when it comes to doing research and original work. Even when translations are available, as there is no isomorphism between any 2 languages, it's always better to work with the original text.</p>

<p>Oh yes, definitely take French at the high school level. And if you really want to learn it, see if there are immersion programs you could do.</p>

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Because there's a significant amount of research/litterature in those fields that has been and is still written in those languages. Not to know at least one or two of them is a major handicap when it comes to doing research and original work. Even when translations are available, as there is no isomorphism between any 2 languages, it's always better to work with the original text.

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<p>Ah, I see. It's the continued existence of French & German papers in those fields.</p>

<p>actually president bush said that Arabic was the most strategic and important language you can learn...they are desperate for translators in Iraq</p>

<p>i find french a language worth learning. its vocabulary and pronuciation is fairly easy, but the grammar seems a little tricky. in fact, it's the grammar that impedes me from speaking naturally, not the pronunciation rules. i especially find verb-preposition agreement quite difficult to memorize. also the gender of nouns are hard to learn because they are not always expressed in context for example "les" is plural for both masculin and feminin articles. french is probably useful in west africa and western europe. but, overall, german is spoken much more in eastern europe. for some reason, german looks too difficult for me because of the unfamiliar vocabulary. if u are an english speaker u should stick with romance languages which have many common vocabularies with english. chinese seems difficult because of its tones.</p>

<p>Knowing French will help you a lot if you want to major in international relations. The French colonized everywhere...people would be surprised at how much its spoken even today in places like Vietnam, the Middle East, and North Africa.</p>