<p>My frosh child attended a first econ class where the teacher said 30% drop out before the term is over, 5 hours of homework per night and used math 11 (he hasn't taken an college calc yet) in the lecture.</p>
<p>Should he take math 3 or 8 before taking this econ class?</p>
<p>Are tutors available?</p>
<p>Why would the drop out rate be so high?</p>
<p>Thx</p>
<p>which econ class is this? micro? has he taken calc in high school at all?</p>
<p>phase,</p>
<p>This definitely does not sound like econ 1. Did he register for econ 10 or 20?</p>
<p>if they use math 11, the prereq is math 8 and the prereq for math 8 is math 3 or AP Calc BC grade of 4/5</p>
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<p>You should look up the median grade for the course term over term.</p>
<p>If he sticks this out I would recommend taking the course as a NRO (he should set his minimum grade to an B+/A- so if he gets anything less than that, he will still get the credit but the grade will not show up on his transcript or calculated into his gpa)</p>
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<p>Yes there are tutors available however if he is going to be an econ major he is going to need econ1 so he might as well start fromt he beginning</p>
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<p>sybbie:</p>
<p>aren’t all econ courses out of bounds for NRO?</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.dartmouth.edu/~reg/200801_nro.html[/url]”>This page has moved;
<p>Oops, my bad.</p>
<p>You can now tell I am an old parent because they just recently became out of bounds (I think within the last 2 years).</p>
<p>Did S vote in the primary? Chicky told me that Former Pres. Bill was there last night and Obama was there at 7:30 this morning.</p>
<p>haven’t heard from BlueSon today. But, when he left last weekend he said it didn’t “feel right” to claim NH residency today, and then reclaim Calif residency next week so he can vote (absentee) in the home primary on Super Tuesday.</p>
<p>You can vote in NH so long as you don’t vote in any other state. Besides, for NH, you don’t have to declare yourself a resident - it’s “established domicile” here.</p>
<p>Anyway, back to the original topic, what is this econ class? It sounds a lot like econ 26…</p>
<p>Regardless, from my experience, econ profs try to scare people out of the class on the first day so that the people who actually want to be in the class are there (waitlists are often long). It’s mostly all bark and no bite.</p>
<p>Oh boy. He changed classes already. Maybe he should have waited but now it is too late. He passed out of Calc 3 due to high AP and had signed up for Calc 8 - but then the econ Prof started doing even higher level calc - calc 11 - and so he thought he better nail Calc 3 and delay econ 10 till next semester since the prof said 1/3 will drop the class, 5 hours hw a night and calc 11 needed. So - now he is in Calc 3 to get a really good foundation and econ 25. I may have given him really bad advice. I had read that Calc 3 was a requirement for econ classes and thought it wouldn’t hurt to take the class even though he passed out - just because he’s an econ major. What do you think of retaking calc 3 and signing up for econ 25? I am guessing next semester he’d take econ 10 and calc 8.
Thx</p>
<p>maybe he could get some good practical advice from one of the Econ Pals:
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<p>It’s not like he is really missing out on anything, he can take the class next semester. Why doesn’t he go talk to someone in the Econ department? Usually professors are pretty helpful and perceptive as to what it takes to make it through the class. They don’t want you to use them to find the easiest classes possible, but they will help you in finding the professor who is the best fit or the type of subject that will most interest you or you will be most prepared for.</p>
<p>Thx for the good tips. The call from my s surprised me. Maybe it is a perfectionism thing that he needs to let go of realizing D isn’t like highschool and he needs to learn new study habits. The prof definitely made him question his decision not to take econ 10 and calc 3 when she said 30% would drop her econ twenty-something class. (I was wrong when I thought it was econ 10) The prof also had a really strong accent and spoke fast - my s couldn’t understand the prof at all. I think this contributed to his concern about doing well in the class - but he’s going to have to get used to thick accents. Reading reviews on sa.dartmouth - it looks like a common issue- but not a big deal.</p>
<p>I’m guessing Micro Econ (21), with Dupas. A lot of kids DID drop her class last Q, but not bcos of lack of math background (hint-hint)…However, the median grade was a B+. </p>
<p>Can your S pickup Macro (22) instead? (Groveling may sometimes gets one into the class.)</p>
<p>Bluebayou- Hmmm…very good deductive reasoning. Yes. You nailed it. I have really messed up as a parent w/ bad advice for him. I was in panic mode thinking prof’s cover so much in each class - he couldn’t afford to miss more than 1 class if he was thinking of switching. He switched from calc 8 to calc 3. He loves math and will take calc 8 next time - but what level calc does he need for econ classes? He also passed out of econ 10 (w//a 4 on AP stats) - but is that not a good idea? I read the description of econ 10 and it looks like a great course and probably very practical. Do all the future econ classes build on econ 10? He signed up for 25 on Tuesday instead and went to the first class yesterday. He thought the prof was very interesting. I read his C.V. and it is amazing. What do you think of 25?</p>
<p>phase2:</p>
<p>son is not an econ major, so I’m no expert on the department. But, as far as I know, Math 3 is the only prereq for Econ classes; math 8 not necessary. I see D dropped the AP Stat credit to a 4 (it was a 5 two years ago, if I recall), so D must not be too concerned about encouraging students to retake the Econ/Govt/Math/Soc Sciences/ 10…No knowledge of Econ 25, sorry.</p>
<p>bluebayou- thx for the reply. I just heard from my son. He is happy w/ new classes- phew! Lesson learned - much more thought needs to go into all this before next term starts - taking advantage of all resources available before the semester starts to get into the best fit classes. (I wasn’t familiar w/ any of them previous to reading this on CC.) One consideration will be profs English speaking abilities based on sa.dartmouth reviews…Never thought it would be an issue. All’s well that ends well. The Econ 25 prof’s background exceeds already high expectations for a prof at Dartmouth- incredible background and supposedly friendly, offering as much help as needed during office hours.</p>
<p>Thanks again for all the excellent advice. The comments were extremely helpful. :)</p>
<p>Oh man, I don’t mean to sound negative here, but I’m just going to be very honest…</p>
<p>As someone who has taken both econ 10 and econ 25, I can say for certain that econ 25 is <em>by far</em> the harder class. The median grade for that class will be lower, a sizeable chunk of the class will dropout, and it is not really an easy way out. The material is pretty interesting though, but he should know to be prepared for insane amounts of reading, long and difficult problem sets, lots of memorization, and grueling exams. It’s a class that’s very heavy in math, but you’re also expected to know a number of Supreme Court cases inside and out, as well.</p>
<p>Ahhhhhhhh! I appreciate the insights and just emailed them to my s. He requested a tutor yesterday - to be proactive about this class. Hopefully he’ll be okay as by dropping down to calc 3 - now he’ll just have the one hard class - econ 25 and will be able to focus on it. W/ my son - interesting weighs in as a heavy plus. He liked the first lecture he attended. He’s going to take econ 10 next semester and not skip it as he originally thought. I saw on sa.dartmouth it is one of the higher rated classes. He’s going to try and meet w/ the prof for 25 next week. What kind of math does 25 use? Thx!</p>
<p>phase2: </p>
<p>when your S registers for spring, he might consider signing up for 4 classes, just in case he finds that Econ/Govt/Psych/SocSci 10 is too much like rehasing AP Stats. I don’t know that it is, but, if so, he could drop it if it’ll be too boring for him.</p>
<p>bulldog: did you take AP Stats? If so, could you compare them? If not, did you have others in Econ 10 who had taken AP Stats?</p>
<p>phase2, getting a tutor sounds like it was a good call. the math that the class uses is basic calc, and maybe a little bit of statistics. </p>
<p>bluebayou, yes I did take AP stats, back in the day. I would say that econ 10 is generally less pleasant, but its pretty much the same material. In hindsight, I I think I should have taken a different department’s 10 level class, as I hear some of the others are more enjoyable - and there’s no real benefit in taking the econ one over the others.</p>
<p>Thx for the advice bluebayou and bulldogbull. A tutor will be very helpful. He signed up on Thursday- so I hope they can find one for him next week. He liked today’s lecture and I like hearing him sound more upbeat than he was on Monday…Four classes is also something to consider. I’d love it if he thought he could handle it. Do most kids take 4 classes at least one trimester a year?</p>