<p>^yes… there is no point in arguing… people wanna believe what they want… that’s fine.</p>
<p>Though, I didn’t know Yale had a non-trad program. It actually looks pretty good (it’s called the Eli Whitney program for those interested, took me a minute to figure that out). Kinda wish I had applied there too though deadline was April 1. Bummer.</p>
<p>No, they’re true. The CC diploma is in Latin I believe, but the GS diploma is in English.</p>
<p>hellojan, if you get into any other non non-traditional school on your list, I would most certainly choose that over GS. IMO, the social stigma of being a second-class citizen would be too strong for me personally.</p>
<p>ben - the eli program and the brown program literally is like 10 students each. it is not a non-traditional school, and does not cater to the broader non-traditional population.</p>
<p>jrrrmph - many GS students are frankly far cooler than CC students and they know it. others have families or careers and so the idea of ‘2nd class status’ is really not on their minds. in all honesty, most people at columbia don’t know who you are unless you tell them, and they treat you pretty normally. if your biggest qualm is latin diplomas than that is pretty petty reason. i would say though that a student who is older who wants to some degree a traditional collegiate experience, they could find it at GS, but that is not whom the college caters to. i think they will find certain barriers to not be welcoming. but all in all, a reputable and equivalent ivy education that has good connection to city resources. it is very unique in its category - one that is dominated by distance learning schools - and that is why it has a solid following. so long as you have solid expectations heading in, you wont feel 2nd class. and after many years dealing with columbia folks and having lots of gs friends, we don’t get why some students feel really slighted (by things like latin diplomas), but they do. i don’t think anyone goes out of their way to make them feel worse, but people will feel so nonetheless. so it has as much to do with the inner psychology of students than the exterior circumstances.</p>
<p>Why is there is so much fuss over the diploma being in English as opposed to Latin? Who cares? No one is ever going to look at it and the students who are complaining about it are actually just making the stigma worse. “Oh waah we’re not as good as CC students because our diploma is in English.” Well, complaining that loudly about it only serves to drive the point home event more… Currently the big push of the GS Student Council is to get the diploma in Latin. Isn’t there some much better uses that energy could go to?</p>
<p>Though I still think GS offers an AMAZING opportunty to people who want to attend. i just wish I could afford it… still trying to figure that part out</p>
<p>admissionsgeek - well put, my sentiments exactly…</p>
<p>I don’t understand why anyone worries about the diploma. Does it not represent the same education? Also, I’m not worried about being made to feel like a second class citizen. Why is it, after all, that there are those among us so concerned impressing @ssholes? </p>
<p>GS students often arrive to CU with little common experience. It seems that one trait that binds them is a genuine disregard for trying to fit in (at the expense of personal satisfaction). THAT, my dears, is the definition of cool.</p>
<p>Truthfully, I feel like a second class citizen in the eyes of the (administrators of the) University. Students and faculty don’t care which school you go to. Most of my friends are CC students, many of my professors like me, I’ve never once been asked which school I go to.</p>
<p>When does GS send out its financial aid packages?</p>
<p>I’m not sure if anyone’s said this but it came up on either the GS vs CC rant or Barnard rant.
I doubt the English v Latin thing matters (SEAS and GS are in English, Barnard (omg) and CC are in Latin), or that’s what someone on a different thread said.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t worry about the stigma thing. I’m going to Barnard next year (most likely) and I too was a little concerned. But, anyone who thinks they’re “better” merely based on what school they attend within a larger university must have some serious self confidence issues. So, all that said, I’d definately choose Columbia GS, from what I’ve heard, you’ll meet some AMAZING people</p>
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<p>Following the same logic, Harvard extension school is same as Harvard College. </p>
<p>Anyonewho think that Harvard College is better than Harvard extension must have some serious self confidence issues</p>
<p>I said who thinks they’re “better,” as in a better person. (whatever that even means)
Jomjom, I’d really like to know what you do for a living? Why do you even care?</p>
<p>Don’t bother, K. JomJom is here to devalue anyone’s experience but his/her own. In the act of arguing, we buy into the value of the argument. Who cares, right?</p>
<p>has anyone who was accepted to GS for fall gotten their federal aid package yet? i got my scholarship info from GS itself, but i’m still waiting on the federal award. it seems like it’s taking a while…</p>
<p>vmason, if it’s not a big secret, how much money does GS usually give to its transfers?</p>
<p>GS gives private scholarships ranging from $3,000-$18,000, although the average award is around $6000. A friend of mine who is going there now said that they are generally pretty cheap when it comes to the private awards and that you need to maintain a high GPA to qualify each year. I applied as a transfer for the fall and I got $8400 for the year- not a whole lot when tuition is $36,000…</p>
<p>I got $8400 also. Skip said the average was closer to $8000. Each year (depending on your grades) he says it does go up, $2-3,000. But still. That ain’t a heck of alot. Since Columbia chargers per credit as opposed to per year it makes more sense to take the bare minimum of credits per year (18) and strectch the FA out over a longer period of time.</p>
<p>Though, I really wanna get undergrad over and done with as soon as possible.</p>
<p>I don’t know guys, many GS students seem to care about the difference in the degrees. Think about what it means. It’s basically Columbia University - not the students, nor the professors, but the UNIVERSITY - telling you that you’re different somehow from the CC/SEAS kids. It’s CU saying that you’re not exactly the same as a CC/SEAS student, and I just don’t know how you can really reconcile with that. I know people here have shown great optimism, but when differences like this exist, sometimes you just have to go, “Well, really?”</p>
<p>Well, honestly, GS students ARE different from CC students and SEAS students and Bernard students. They are all different, who thinks they are the same? Different set of admissions requirements, different ages, different backgrounds; yet all the schools fall under the same University, namely Columbia. If people want to be a CC student, then they should apply there. No one is stopping them. I think it’s important that people really do understand there are differences between all the schools, instead of trying to find ways to make them all the same. God knows I would NEVER get into CC as a transfer student. Their admissions criteria do not equate to my situation. All because CC is the majority doesn’t make it the only dignified program. Universities are about bringing great and diversified minds together. CC offers its share of students, GS offers its, SEAS has its own, etc.</p>
<p>The sooner people STOP trying to equate the two the happier everyone will be.</p>
<p>My EFC is <1500 so I am praying for a miracle. </p>
<p>If you defer admission to the spring semester, does that award get recalculated?</p>
<p>hellojan, I don’t think Financial Aid and GS go together really well.</p>