FSU rankings for the CCAP / FORBES 2009

Colleges and Universities A-Z Florida State University
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<p>I don’t know if this has been posted before, but here is a site that I think shows some nice rankings for FSU and even better if you exclude the private universities.</p>

<p>2009</a> College Rankings (Research)</p>

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<p>Wow, New College is up there. Way higher than FSU and UF in the top 600 list.</p>

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<p>And here is a link where it pulls out the private schools </p>

<p>[America’s</a> Best Public Colleges - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/06/best-public-colleges-opinions-colleges-09-top.html]America’s”>America's Best Public Colleges)</p>

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<p>I hate to break it to you guys, but this Forbes list of “best” colleges is absolutely terrible. Please pay no attention to wherever they rank FSU. Schools like Dartmouth, Cornell, Michgian, and Georgetown are all ranked in the 100’s-200’s. They use completely unreliable sources to determine the rankings (like payscale, ratemyprofessor, etc). </p>

<p>And btw, I am not an FSU ■■■■■ or anything (I applied, got accepted, and kind of regret not going there).</p>

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<p>Yeah, their MBA rankings are a lot better. I don’t know how an Ivy undergrad ends up in the 100’s.</p>

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<p>These rankings have alot to do with VALUE, and therefore expensive, overpriced colleges and U’s did not rank well. FSU is a strong flagship U. And for the money you spend to get an undergraduate degree, there is ALOT of bang for the buck. Forbes and their rankings are trying to tell you that you may not necessarily get your money’s worth spending $200,000 plus on an undergraduate degree,.</p>

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<p>The CCAP/Forbes 2009 College Rankings are all over the place. I wouldn’t put too much value in them. Data factors used in determining the rankings come from highly subjective sources like “Who’s Who in America” (12.5% of ranking weighting), and “RateMyProfessor.com” (25% of ranking weighting!).</p>

<p>The Forbes rankings are interesting, but not much more than reading for entertainment.</p>

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<p>So the CCAP/Forbes peer review is of less value than the US News peer review?</p>

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<p>The Forbes rankings had no peer review element. The rankings were determined with:</p>

<p>Ranking Factors and Weights
The Center for College Affordability and Productivity (CCAP) compiled its college rankings
using seven components (the weightings are listed in parentheses):

  1. Listings of Alumni in the 2008 edition of Who’s Who in America (12.5%)
  2. Salaries of Alumni from PayScale.com (12.5%)
  3. Student Evaluations from Ratemyprofessors.com (25%)
  4. Four-Year Graduation Rates (16 2/3%)
  5. Students Receiving Nationally Competitive Awards (8 1/3%)
  6. Faculty Receiving Awards for Scholarship and Creative Pursuits (5%)
  7. Four-year Debt Load for Typical Student Borrowers (20%)</p>

<p>I am skeptical of the US News rankings too considering some of the “peer review” may have been intellectually dishonest.</p>

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<p>You can argue that USNews is just as flawed since it factors in endowment figures more so than any other statistic.</p>

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<p>Look, there are rankings out there for everything – you just gotta understand the methodology used to come up with it. If you look at the top public list, you will see about 50% of the top 12 schools are military schools so it seems to be a bit skewed.</p>

<p>I think USNews so far provides the best glimpse of relative university performance and ranking.</p>

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<p>I agree that Forbes apparently has no actual “peer” review, but it does contain a subjective analysis like the US News peer review. Perhaps the granular nature of the Ratemyprofessors score is more representative of quality than the US News subjective analysis since students are scoring the staff on an ongoing basis. Both are flawed and gamed, but the RatemyProf distortion may be less onerous than the impact of the US News peer review.</p>

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<p>The Forbes rankings using “Ratemyprofessors.com” is probably more comprehensive. I don’t think the US News peer reviews done by college presidents and provosts included important things like rating other president’s “hotness” like RMP does.</p>

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<p>But, of course, the Forbes rankings don’t take into account the fact that student at some schools do not actually use Ratemyprofessor but rather are obligated to use an internal evaluation system.</p>

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<p>I don’t believe FSU students are required to use Rate my Professor as FSU has an internal rating system.</p>