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First line of the article:</p>
<p>Relief may be finally on the way for engineering-starved employers.</p>
<p>Just dwell on that for a moment. Then enjoy this line, at the end of the next paragraph:</p>
<p>It is the first increase since 2002.</p>
<p>Awesome.</p>
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Thus says a recruiter for CRNA’s, and I am sure THEY have no motivation to inflate their numbers as they fight to draw new candidates to sign with their recruiting firm. You’re though - they do list a single CRNA job that might pay up to $250k - they don’t list the qualifications they are looking for, but hey, it’s there!</p>
<p>That reminds me… why aren’t YOU studying to be a CRNA, Homer? I mean, it pays great, you have family connections in medicine, it’s a job safe from outsourcing… when do you start school?</p>
<p>Homer - yes, many engineering students drop out of engineering because it is hard. It is. At my school, someone who completed all 5 core EE courses without repeating any is the exception, not the rule. Can YOU do multivariable differential calculus? For most college students, the difficulty they are experiencing and the partying that they feel they are missing are greater pressures than the possibility that they might be outsourced later.</p>
<p>My company hired ~80 people for entry level engineering positions this year. That’s down for us, it was ~100 my year, but those are all no-experience-required jobs. I am honestly not sure who is really searching for professional entry-level positions on Monster - if you are an entry-level engineer, there are all sorts of college and business sponsored career fairs to attend, fairs with real live people at them. The guy who gave my first interview at one of those fairs had an office down the hall from me the next year.</p>
<p>At the engineering school I attended (UT-Austin), a common way for employers to hire students is by calling up one of their old professors for a recommendation of a couple of good prospects. My dad is a professor and has been placing students in jobs for 45 years, lol! I don’t know of people using Monster, either.</p>
<p>Wow…this Homer guy got a lot of crap for posting this…Why?</p>
<p>There are serious problems with the engineering profession. We don’t need anymore engineers right now. We may in the future if the economy was more functional…but it looks like this may not be anytime soon. I actually think granting more visas to internationals isn’t the worst idea in the world…especially if they have PhDs and advanced training…there may legitimately be some shortage of this. </p>
<p>To go around saying we need more engineers with Bachelor and Masters degrees is wrong… seriously wrong.</p>
<p>Engineers are smart people that tend to get stuff done. They don’t sit at home applying into the black hole of the internet to get a job. Instead of whining they make themselves marketable. That’s why Homer isn’t well-received here.</p>
<p>Grown men in their 30s should not be spending an excessive amount of time on College Confidential. They should instead be contributing to society in a more direct manner.</p>
<p>Sigh…</p>
<p>It was interesting to hear the part about the nurses having trouble finding jobs…I didn’t know this was an issue.</p>
<p>I read something funny today…</p>
<p>“35 is the new 12!”</p>
<p>Don’t underestimate the problems with this economy. Perhaps try to learn from people who are unemployed…I don’t know.</p>
<p>I’ve been unemployed. I’ve been laid off 4 times in my life, and in my opinion Homer is not saying anything useful at all.</p>
<p>I was unemployed for the first time in my life last January. One thing that becomes obvious quickly is that if you end up unemployed, the one thing you don’t want to do is wallow in it. Yeah, getting a job will depend heavily on circumstances out of one’s control, but that unemployment is a great opportunity to hone skills and improve oneself, even if it’s just learning interview skills.</p>
<p>With all due respect, I don’t think you have a clue what you are talking about, jack63.</p>
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<p>I can partially agree with this, but hey…I cannot help it if my developers cannot even get to the line of code to use SQL statements because the rest of the code has errors? My database is already set for them :-)</p>
<p>I guess I could take this yearly Ethics training that I have been putting off while sitting here at my desk at work.</p>
<p>Ethics training, smethics training. I am going to be honest, either people are going to be ethical or they are not. Taking yearly training isn’t going to change that. The only thing it does is makes sure everyone knows when they are being unethical, but that still isn’t going to stop unethical people.</p>
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<p>I wish we could get that into the heads of our HR department but they have somehow fooled management into thinking that completing this Ethics training (only 30 minutes) should be tied to an employee’s annual review.</p>
<p>I don’t think management cares either. It’s just the number of employees who take the training is also tied to that manager’s annual review.</p>
<p>See how HR stays in business?</p>
<p>It would be frightening if someone had some kind of epiphany from a terrible web-based ethics training course.</p>
<p>When I had to take ethics training I opened a new tab and let it do it’s thing. I occasionally checked it to hit next or to randomly guess at a question that I never read. They were not scored, either you completed the training or you did not, so there was no point in actually trying. One would think if a company was serious about ethics training there would be something a bit more comprehensive and your score would actually matter.</p>
<p>^That isn’t very ethical… ;-)</p>
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What about the second question? If there is a demand for people with some experience, how do these people get it without entry level jobs?</p>
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<p>No disrespect taken! </p>
<p>There is a problem with the engineering field though. You guys should read some of Sakky’s endless posts…he also gets crap when talks about the problems in the engineering field.</p>
<p>People should not bury there head in the sand on this. I’ve seen many good engineers be unemployed for long periods of time, and it is rarely thier fault. Young guys/girls have an easier time straight out of college finding jobs. They are cheaper and unlikely to need significant health benifits. They are also not jaded.</p>
<p>With all this said, additional training or going back to school might be a good solution for someone who is unemployed.</p>
<p>"Relief may be finally on the way for engineering-starved employers.</p>
<p>Just dwell on that for a moment. Then enjoy this line, at the end of the next paragraph:</p>
<p>It is the first increase since 2002"</p>
<p>I would like to know who these “engineer-starved edmployers” are. Are they the same companies that have laid off engineers during the recession? Are they the same companies that have outsourced their engineers? Are they the same ones who have imported foreign engineers? </p>
<p>What their is a shortage of is CHEAP eningeers.</p>
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<p>Nearly every company in every industry has done this. That is not a valid point. As soon as we come out of this recession and things resume their normal paths, this will be a non-issue.</p>
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<p>That would be the natural conclusion, wouldn’t it? If there is a shortage of something, people go to greater lengths to get it. Naturally, the same companies who are finding it hard to fill positions will hire from outside of the domestic pool. Your logic works both ways.</p>