General Advice for New Applicants

<p>Hey guys, this is my first post on College Confidential in a long time. I was casually browsing my new favorite website when I came across a wonderful piece of advice from one of my friends about applying to college in the US. It aptly summarizes what I believed in during my application process and what I feel others, especially international students, should know. So here goes:</p>

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Question: What must an Indian student studying in Class 12 do, to get into universities like MIT, Stanford, Harvard, etc? What do the universities expect? How do I contact the students of such reputed universities?</p>

<p>This question is akin to a common question thrown around in entrepreneur circles how do you start a successful start-up. There is no one definitive answer or formula that works but instead there are a bunch of rules you can follow that would increase your odds. After that, you can only hope that the dice rolls in your favor. Rarely have I met a person and been convinced that there is no way on earth this person is not getting into College X. In fact the only person that comes to my mind is my friend Raghu Mahajan who among other things topped JEE a few years ago. And in case you are updating your model that topping JEE implies getting into one of these colleges, don't do so. Topping JEE was just a byproduct of being Raghu. The man exudes mastery of the sciences like no other. JEE was just a validation of this fact and not really an achievement per se. Yet Raghu is an outlier. He is like Bill Gates in that sense. Those who knew Bill Gates in the 70's had never any doubt that he would start one of the most successful companies in the world. Most of us need the dice to roll in our favor. </p>

<p>In my sophomore year, I was advising a friend of mine Vishesh Jain who is now at Stanford. Vishesh is one of the smartest and most original people I know. Yet, I couldn't have said that he was going to surely get into College X. So what we did was what investors call portfolio diversification (known in common parlance as don't put all your eggs in the same basket). Apply to a bunch of good colleges, send a solid application to each and hope variance doesn't hit you adversely. For example let us say the US has ten really good colleges for your program. Each has a historic acceptance rate of 5% from India (its less than a percent for MIT and Harvard but 5 is a good mean figure). And let us make a somewhat of a coarse assumption (right up there with assuming an elephant to be a sphere) and say the entire applicant pool is even, you then are at around 40% to get into at least one college. We shall come back to this model later. </p>

<p>Over the last four years, i have read a ton of essays and applications of juniors from my school some of whom are now in the universities you mention. I have known all of them personally. I rarely offer consultation to someone who I do not know well because this prevents me from offering key insights into their application- the reason why they came to me in the first place. Interacting with these juniors has given me enough data to reasonably guess a person's likelihood on getting into a college X he likes. </p>

<p>I will begin by debunking some common myths that a lot of Indian students seem to have. Then I will proceed to list out some general rules to follow and not to follow.</p>

<p>Common Myths
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[li]SAT Score:[/li]It is understandable that everyone tries to maximize this one metric for seemingly it is the one objective score in an otherwise subjective application. More objective and in fact a fairer reflection of your basic academic abilities are your school marks from 9th to 12th. If you scored a 2100 or more then do not take the SAT I again. For no other reason except that it is unnecessary, a royal waste of time and it is going to make you dumb.</p>

<p>[li]Social Service:[/li]I don't know when this phenomenon started. But over the last decade or so, I have seen so many kids who get into class 11, and it occurs to them that they should apply abroad for college. Unfortunately, all these realizations seem to coincide with their first visit to the blind school or the old age home in their city. The act is itself a very noble one but when laced with an insincere intention it plunges to a heinous and perverse one. </p>

<p>Besides, none of the people I consulted with ever did social service and they all got into college X. Bill Gates did not do any social service when he was a kid because his priorities then were computers. Now he runs the largest philanthropic organization in the history of the world.
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<p>Rules to follow:</p>

<p>DOs</p>

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[li]Maintain a Solid Academic Record:[/li]This goes a long way in showing basic academic abilities of the student. All you need is a consistent record. Nothing fancy, nothing spectacular. A solid 90% in all grades from 9-12. That's it. In India, it is often the case, that people score unusually high marks in class 10, then plunge in class 11 and kind of recover in 12th. This is concrete evidence that the kid likes to slack which is not exactly a vice but definitely not a virtue. Also, if you are trying really hard to get 95% but can score an effortless 90%, i would settle for the latter and invest my time in more fruitful activities than to shine in the Indian education system. </p>

<p>50% of the applicant pool will not have a solid academic record.</p>

<p>[li]Take your hobbies seriously:[/li]We are all born curious. This curiosity leads us to pick up hobbies at a very early age. Somewhere along time we find less and less time for these hobbies and get caught up more and more in the rat race. We must make a conscious effort to avoid this situation. You can avoid it by turning these hobbies into more than just hobbies. Say the one thing you are fascinated about is the Rubik's cube and you find that slowly and slowly, for various reasons, you are devoting less and less time on it. Solution: start a Rubik's cube club in school. Spread the joy. Hold time trials. Observe what the theoretical limit is. In the case of the 3x3 rubik's cube it would be around 2 seconds if you could solve the entire cube in your head before touching it. This is a ridiculous number to achieve but try to see how close you can get to it. Make challenges out of mundane things and lo! without even realizing it you are on the path to mastery.</p>

<p>Even if you don't eventually attain the lofty goals you set yourself, you would have gained a ton of insight and lessons that you can now apply to other hobbies. This all comes together quite beautifully when you write your application. It is also something that is hard to feign if you haven't lived through it. </p>

<p>70% of the applicant pool would not have pursued a hobby seriously.</p>

<p>[li]Be Creative but not pompous in your essays:[/li]This one is kind of hard. It would be hard to give advice on what a good essay is because it would vary from prompt to prompt. But a key insight to keep in mind is to write something that comes out like a fresh breeze into the otherwise bored admissions officer’s head who has to read around 200-300 essays a day. A good essay would usually have a fresh insight into things, be sincere and articulate, and would avoid any hint of pomposity or narcissism. It is easier said than done though. </p>

<p>With a couple of iterations and a level head you can at least avoid all signs of pomposity, narcissism or insincerity in your essays. Creativity is a little harder. It is mostly luck. And like all things that involve luck your odds of hitting upon a creative idea can also be dramatically improved through mostly a few basic but hard to achieve habits. Creativity comes with obsession. When you take a hard problem and figure that none of the existing techniques in your mental cache seem to work, one of two things can happen in your brain, a) it can either go into panic mode which eventually results in a crash and burn b) it can go into a totally calm and relaxed mode- for a few moments you would have no thoughts at all and then the brain suddenly goes into overdrive and thoughts from all over the place, thoughts that you didn’t even know existed, come pouring in and your job then is to simply collect the best ones and note them down lest you forget. </p>

<p>Once you have ideas for what you want to write, the only thing left is articulation which comes from practice. Articulation is key, because no matter how good your ideas are, if you can't get them across, the people reading your application won't care. </p>

<p>65% of the applicant pool would fail at no. 3</p>

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DONTs
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[li]Don't be phony:[/li]A lot of people figure that they want to apply to abroad when they enter class 11. You suddenly find new clubs springing up every second day, a hoard of eager students who suddenly want to get into the computer club, do quizzing, MUN and what not. Some genius even started a Youth Congress in my school in the middle of class 11, not because he had a profound plan for what it'd do but because he systematically went through the list of all the clubs our school had and decided this one didn’t exist. </p>

<p>75% of the applicant pool would have done phony stuff and proudly highlighted it</p>

<p>[li]Do Not Imitate:[/li]And this encompasses a lot of things people the world over err at. People try to blindly emulate a classmate or a senior who has been there done that. If your friend has an IMO gold and got into MIT, that doesn't mean the way to get into MIT is through an IMO Gold. Your friend got an IMO gold because his motivations exceeded beyond getting into MIT- mainly the thrill that comes from Mastery of a field, to know that few people in the world can see things the way he can. If your motivation is to get into MIT, then you will not get an IMO gold in a million years. However instead of trying to imitate your friend, you can squeeze out the essence of his achievement and try to attain that. Essence in this case was pure mastery and if you apply the same dedication to a craft you are good at, then you are automatically one step closer to your goal. There is a Zen saying "If you try to seek happiness, you never will" and nothing rings truer in the case of college applications.</p>

<p>This is not going to hurt your chances except that you are doing injustice to your life. You are wasting time on mastering skills your friend has rather than perfecting your own. </p>

<p>This leads us to infer that if you follow all of the above rules, in the worst case you'll be in the top 30% applicant pool (we assume everyone in this 30% pool is equally strong) of India. Coming back to our original calculation, this implies that if you apply it to your favorite ten colleges, your chances of getting in just increased to about 84%. Favorable odds indeed :D. Yet this is not a 100%. I have seen pretty mediocre people getting into these colleges and pretty solid people being left out. The head girl in my batch was my friend Shraddha, who had scored an effortless 2370 in her SAT I, had effortless scores of >95% throughout her high school, was one of the more formidable quizzers in delhi, and had amongst many academic achievements topped the NTSE in Delhi. I had the privilege of reading her essays and they were marked with creativity and finesse beyond her years. The phenomenon where such applicants miss out is popularly known as Bad Luck. She didn't get in but nevertheless continued to do what she liked and is doing better than most of the people whom luck was kinder to back then. Thus, even if you don't get into college X and continue to follow the above rules, I think you'll do fine.
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<p>An [Important] Note on Financial Aid
If you do get into these top universities without financial aid, you'll be chunking out around 200K over your four years. If your plan is to study something technical and get a job then you are indeed positive ROI. Top quartile in these schools can easily get 100k a year jobs. It still depends on how risk averse you are and if such a hefty loan on your head makes you lose sleep at night. I was very lucky to get away super cheap so I never had to make this decision. All these institutions have world class faculty, research opportunities and facilities. If you plan to make the best out of these then you should probably take the loan.

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<p>I do differ with him a bit on the numbers, but not so much as to invalidate his claims. For the most part, though, I agree. I might add an addendum about what to expect once you get in university and how a public school might be different from a private school and which one is better for you, later. In my previous lurking sessions on Indian forum on CC, I have seen a lot of people asking questions that might be answered by this and I hope this will provide a general sense of direction to new applicants for 2017/18 (or later). I'll try to reply to any questions that any of you might have.</p>

<p>Also, COME TO BERKELEY. Shameles bump for my university.</p>

<p>Addendum:</p>

<p>I feel like my friend talked about this in the post above, but a quick Ctrl+F didn’t show up any results and I wanted to talk about it anyway, so here goes. In very succinct and crude terms, colleges want a well rounded student body and not a well rounded student. </p>

<p>Picking up from the “Social Service” point above, many applicants, in 11th or 12th grade think that suddenly showing an empathetic side by doing ‘social service’ at an old age home or a animal shelter will make up for their application in a part where it might be lacking and add another achievement to their already long list. Sure, those inconsistent instances of social services might help the needy, but is it really something to tout about on your college application? Maybe.</p>

<p>It depends on how you craft your application. Are you applying for a particular major? Are most of your extracurriculars related to a particular interest that you want to pursue in college? If you are applying for Mechanical Engineering at Berkeley and have participated, on occasion, in Olympiads and competitions, and would rather enjoy drawing a machine than drawing a tree, does it really help you if you have 30 hours of social service on your application? Again, Maybe. If you have nothing else to show for your interest in Mechanical Engineering and don’t really have a hobby which you’ve stuck with for a long time, sure. GO ahead and put it. If not, you should realize that there are far more people out there who actually love doing social service and have been doing so for a really long time. A significant part of their experiences and lives revolve around it and so they are in a much better position than you to tout about it as their strong point. Remember, Berkeley wants a well rounded student body. It would much rather want you to fill up the parking spots reserved for Nobel Laureates than having to live with the satisfaction that you are just a dilettante who feigns interest in areas that might be appreciated. Of course, this example of mine was extreme, but I hope the point was clear.</p>

<p>Sometimes, you might find yourself very interested in pursuing a particular field of study at university that may be very different from what you have been doing. Personally, I wanted to study Mechanical Engineering, but I didn’t really have anything much to show for it. Never did I ever play with Legos blocks to build machines. Nor did I fantasize about the workings of the Large Hadron Collider. What I really did with all my spare time in high school was, to write. Now you may ask, how do I justify my passion for what I am saying? The answer is, let your hobby do the talking. I centered my application around my love for writing. My extracurriculars, my awards, my essays (even my recommendations, as I later found out) were all focused on my feelings for writing and my writing projects. Yet, my intended major was mechanical engineering. The point of this entire paragraph is that colleges look for commitment. Life, is commitment. Does your application show your commitment towards your various hobbies over time? Also, as a side note, do realize that if you try to relate your hobbies to your intended field of study, it makes your job of trying to sell yourself a lot easier.</p>

<p>Finally, I’ll talk about you. You as a person. On paper. Your application is the only way colleges get to judge you. You may realize how ridiculously difficult that is; almost along the lines of judging a book by its cover. However, that’s all you have got. So everything boils down to how you present yourself. How do you write your essay? What extracurriculars do you showcase? Which awards do you talk about? Is your essay blatantly obvious about your achievements (which it shouldn’t be) or does it subtly imply your interest while keeping the reader engaged? Does everything in application gel together? Here’s an analogy that I just came up with: Imagine your application like a gift. You’ve got to decide the wrapping paper. The card. The tape. The glitter. The scent (if you’re into those kind of gifts). Admissions officers judge if everything works together. A rainbow of colors? That’s too overwhelming for the eyes - this kid is spread too far thin. One single color for everything? Too boring - this kid is in too deep. Two shades? One shade with a slight tinge of another color? That kind of looks good.</p>

<p>The college is shopping for its freshman class. How well can your inner salesman sell his best product - himself?</p>

<p>I realize that this might sound too difficult. Might not seem worth the time. But we’re talking about the world’s oldest, costliest and arguably best universities here. We’re talking about an international experience. A new way of education (for most internationals). You don’t get that without a fight. So go out there and sell yourself. Be yourself.</p>

<p>Thank You.</p>

<p>Hey Tizil</p>

<p>Excellent post!!! Wonderful, both the idea and the words. Love the magnanimity behind the post.</p>

<p>How are you doing at Berkley? I am sure they are as glad to have you there as you are to be with them. Midterms should be on right now and then heading for a short Fall break. I am sure it what you had hoped for and more. </p>

<p>Wishing you well. Blessings.</p>

<p>Hey Anialways!</p>

<p>Thanks for your kind words :)</p>

<p>Berkeley is amazing. It is everything I hoped college would be. There’s a lot of work. I feel a lot more responsible because I’m in charge of my life and feel closer than ever what I imagine life as an adult would be. In short, I’m surprised by the amount of control I have over my life as an individual and I feel empowered to do stuff that I feel best deserves my time :)</p>

<p>Two of my four classes have two rounds of midterms. I just got over with my first round, so I have “fall break” of sorts. Also, thanksgiving is round the corner.</p>

<p>Thanks once again!</p>

<p>^How many classes does a freshman in Berkeley normally take in the first semester?</p>

<p>^Its pretty early to think about that.</p>

<p>General Advice: Keep calm and listen to what Tizil7 and the parents have to say.</p>

<p>Hey abs</p>

<p>Most colleges offer 18-21 credits per semester. For understanding purposes, each class=4credits. That means most freshman will end up taking 4 classes in the first semester.</p>

<p>Let me try to expand on that. Each credit= 1hour of class approximately.</p>

<p>So a 4 credit class will have, roughly, 2 lectures + 1 lab/Recitaion= 3 sessions per week.</p>

<p>Which means four 4 credit classes = 12 sessions per week. </p>

<p>The duration of session varies from college to college. For eg. Since my D goes to NYU, I can tell you specifically about that, each classroom session is for 1 hour 15 minutes.</p>

<p>Hope that helps.</p>

<p>Abscalc, it depends widely.</p>

<p>The students who come in head strong take about 20. Most in the college of engineering take about 15-16.</p>

<p>L&S students average around 13-14</p>

<p>I’d say that the average would be 15.</p>

<p>However, there’s no way to officially validate these claims, and I should say they are based on the small sample set of ~300 people that I’ve met and asked.</p>

<p>Also, as Anialways said, colleges usually have different ‘session’ timings. At Berkeley, all lectures and discussions sections (supplement to the lectures) are both 50 minutes long. Labs vary from 2 hours for the sciences to 3 hours for engineering.</p>

<p>Here’s something from today that I think perfectly embodies Berkeley and it’s culture: [What</a> is a feature?](<a href=“http://cl.ly/image/1p1u2y3B242O]What”>http://cl.ly/image/1p1u2y3B242O)</p>

<p>@Tizil - Glad you are doing well at Berkeley. Thanks for helping the other folks, whenever possible. Good luck with everything and enjoy your first US thanksgiving!</p>

<p>Thanks F16Parent! I fully intend to do so, but right now, I’m all geared to experience my first Halloween :)</p>

<p>Also, if anyone has any question, please ask and I’ll do my best to answer!</p>

<p>Hey Tizil7, Thanks for the valuable information provided. I just have one question:
As you said “In India, it is often the case, that people score unusually high marks in class 10, then plunge in class 11 and kind of recover in 12th.”… This pretty much applies to me… My question is how bad is it gonna affect my chances? Any way to make good what I lost?</p>

<p>Led, the answer depends on two things. “Plunge” and and “recover” are very subjective terms. For example, say a person usually gets around 90%, plunges to 80% in the 11th grade and recovers to around 85% or even 90% in twelfth grade, I’d imagine it would not be a big deal.</p>

<p>Any kind of huge recovery shows that a person is willing to work. Hard work matters and is recognised. So it depends on the numbers and how they supplement the rest of your application. Are academics the only strong point of your application? If no, then the drop shouldn’t affect you much, otherwise, maybe.</p>

<p>Unless the drop is huge, don’t feel the need to explain it.</p>

<p>@ Tizil7
Plz chance me for Berkeley
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/india/1391931-chance-indian-applicant.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/india/1391931-chance-indian-applicant.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Well yeah the drop is really huge! From a 95% to 64%… Should I explain the reason or is my school counsellor the better person to do so?
Thanks!</p>

<p>One of the most important thing is our application essay and compilation of other extra curricular activities. i want to see a real application of a student who got into a top university like MIT or U.C Berkely, or Caltech etc. Can u please show me some???
Thanks</p>