<p>Georgetown's pre-law and pre-med programs are also very well-known. And the linguistics department has the best programs in the nation for several of the offered langauges.</p>
<p>what's this!? JHU at the bottom?? i don't think so!
JHU/UPenn
Brown
Georgetown</p>
<p>so what if JHU's prestige mainly comes from its science department. honestly, out of everyone I know, if medicine is ever brought up for a possible future, everyone immediately says JHU, not an Ivy, but JHU. Also, JHU has a kickass international relations dept I know. It also has a very strong English dept, or at least that's what my friend claims since she's in it. Similarily, if someone mentions law, they will usually first name Georgetown over Upenn/Brown. I don't know much about those 2 schools, tho. I mean, other than their Ivy name, what department(s) is specifically superb? Georgetown = well-known for law, JHU = even more well-known for its medicine than GT for its law, and Brown/UPenn = well-known for their Ivy status, but what else?</p>
<p>LOL how cute... puting JHU at the top. ;)</p>
<p>Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.</p>
<p>People can argue which ones go at the top, but it has become an accepted consensus that, in this matter, JHU goes at the bottom:</p>
<p>~Brown/UPenn/Georgetown (in any order you like, depending on what you are comparing)
~JHU</p>
<p>I think Brown has a pretty gnarly Med school..I never did any research at Brown but that's all I've ever heard about it. UPenn, of course, for Wharton and really not much else...and Georgetown because it's the best school in the coolest city, and because of the School of Foreign Service, which was the first thing of its kind. JHU I've heard good things about medically speaking, but I actually ended up scratching it off my list of 7 IR schools because I didn't feel it's department was as up to snuff as the others I was pinpointing.</p>
<p>Yeah, I knocked it off my IR schools too...Baltimore is not my favorite place. JHU really seems to be all about the medical program, but Brown's program is better anyway and they are just all around fabulous with ivy prestige.</p>
<p>So, I would say </p>
<p>Brown
Georgetown/UPenn (only because of Wharton)
JHU</p>
<ol>
<li>penn (b/c wharton)</li>
<li>georgetown (b/c SFS)</li>
<li>brown (b/c lots of people in the academic world think it's a joke b/c no core curriculum)</li>
<li>JHU (b/c lacks any international prestige aside from pre-med)</li>
</ol>
<p>-JHU=penn=brown
-gtown</p>
<p>I dont understand why JHU is being knocked so much. People say that they are only known for their bio programs. Well, duh. More than half of all undergrads are majoring in bio-something. Besides, I think in todays world, a science based education is becoming more and more respected above a traditional liberal arts curriculum. so dont dis JHU just because they are science oriented. Anyone who knows anything about science of any kind would give a leg up to a JHU student anyday. No doubt. The other schools dont even come close.</p>
<p>But no one abroad knows about JHU! Not many people on the West Coast even know about them! They have a reputation based solely on science, and that reputation is only known in science circles (and college admissions boards)!</p>
<p>All of the other schools on the list have established international recognition, and are all well known for at least more than one field.</p>
<p>JHU is just too one-sided; too unknown. It simply cannot reside at the top of this list. And I also don't think that a science-based eduaction is becoming more well-regarded than the traditional liberal arts one. On the contrary, I think that liberal arts are making a big comeback (from remission in current years).</p>
<p>JHU is not being criticized for having science oriented program; it is being ranked lower because UPenn, Brown, and Georgetown have broad programs in many different fields that are well known; that is, the undergraduate programs of UPenn, Brown, and Georgetown are all strong and they are "well-rounded" (and "well-known") universities.</p>
<p>Both science programs and liberal arts programs are respected. But I find that some in the science programs are reaching out and double majoring in the liberal arts. A fellow friend of mine is currently at USC majoring in neurosciences. At the same time, he is also majoring in philosophy. He is a prosepective student looking at JHU Medical. He finds that those in the science programs often become too self-absorbed and completely unaware of world's outside of science. His deliberate outreach to philosophy, he says, hopes to negate that. In fact, many students who now opt to double major in science and the liberal arts are self-styled "Renaissance Scholars."</p>
<p>All the schools--JHU, UPenn, Brown, and Georgetown--are excellent schools.</p>
<p>I agree completely. And with that, I say we stop arguing.</p>